I still don't know what to make of Russell. He seems like a completely anachronistic figure. His defensive and rebounding dominance in his time is pretty clear, there raves about him from journalists and teammates are pretty clear, and the titles tell a hell of a story. At the same time, I have a hard time buying a 6'9", 215 pound center that wasn't particularly great offensively as being one of the five or so best players ever. I can't even imagine that he'd be among the most valuable players in the league today; he's smaller than Lebron, how would his skill set translate? Trying to compare him to modern NBA players, for me, is like trying to compare Cy Young to Roger Clemens. It just doesn't work.
Michael Jordan or Shaquille O'Neal (because they are the only NBA players whose names I know lol, not because of anything substantive).
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
Actually, a better comparison is probably Tim Duncan. He would basically be a shorter version of Duncan.
in 2000 - 2003 shaq was the best.
04 - 07 tim duncan/mcgrady
08 -2k13 lebron james
kobe had a few good years but he was never the most dominate player in the league.
he just had stacked teams to make him look better
look what happened when kobe didnt have a stacked team?
he didnt make the playoffs.
lebron at the age of 22 carried a team of scrubs to the finals and lost.
the people blamed lebron saying he choked.
kobe in his prime in 2005 - 2007 didnt make it to the playoffs and next year got bounced first round.
the people blamed kobes team
moral of the story kobe takes credit for wins but doesnt take blame for loses
lebron on the other hand gets blamed for everything
Wow, this thread got necro'ed!
So, where does that put him then? His dominance in his day was greater, but I don't think there's much of anyone that believes Russell was actually a better basketball player than what Duncan's been. Personally, Duncan comes in around 5th or 6th for me, but I rate him higher than everyone else. So do I put Russell ahead or behind him on a list? Ultimately, I guess I say behind, but I can't really defend that.
my top 3 will always be
Jordan, Johnson and Bird
Russel is great but he did let Wilt score a shit ton of points on him just about every time they played. Lebron doesn't let somebody score 50 on him nether does Jordan but Wilt dominated Russel he even said so himself.
2) Ever seen Wilt take a free throw? Ya that is why. The guy was the definition of a liability at the end of games. He makes Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan look like good end game pieces.
3) Wilt stopped playing when he got to 4 or 5 fouls. Every time, without fail. He refused to foul out so he would just stop even trying to play defense.
4)He was a coach killer and a team killer. No one wanted to play with him. Best anecdote, the Lakers had a chance to trade for Wilt in his prime. Deal was in place and the Lakers players voted against bringing him in 9 to 3 because he was that big of a pariah.
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1. Most selfish.. Jordan was pretty selfish as well and an Asshat to boot (look at his HoF speech that has selfish written all over it.)
2. Most Centers suck at free throws nothing new here.
3. Most players when they get to 4-5 fouls stop playing as hard or get sat so they don't get bounced out on an accidental foul
4. I don't know what that has to do with the greatest player ever I mean if Kobe didn't have Phil he would have went through more coaches then he has now.
Shouldn't matter how relevant the series or game is if you're letting a guy score at will on you then your not this great player and defender that everybody says you are. Tim Duncan wouldn't let somebody score 50 on him at the same position esp more then once if it did happen.
It's pretty difficult to say who will be better, lebron or MJ. As much as I dislike him, I think lebron will be better in the long run. He isn't my favorite player by a long shot(anyone who commands a TV special to announce where he is going is a joke imo) but the kid has gotten so much better since when he entered the league-it's scary. Main reason I think lebron will take the cake on MJ is pretty much all due to modern day science/medicine/technology. Lebron was a wrecking ball when he came out of school let alone after he started hitting the gym as part of his paycheck.
The amount of science going to sculpting professional athletes its mind-boggling and impressive in the same breath. Kinda scary really =/