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  1. #881
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    Damn, people take this waaaaay to seriously, guilds are different ok??? some dont recruit girls, some dont recruit anyone under 18, some dont recruit arabs, some dont recruit bad players, some dont recruit pvpers, some only recruit RPers, so WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH GUILDS BEING DIFFERENT????

  2. #882
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    What? Is that really what the casual content has come to? People don't even have real raid teams anymore?

    How unfortunate
    I've been operating like this since WoW came out. Cleared every tier of content.

    In fact, it was even harder to have a raid full of people who weren't scum back when you needed 40 people. The turnover was amazing.

    Edit: Clearly you think I meant my group pugs half of my raid. I mean that 50% of my guild is the "real" people, and the other 50% are people who WILL be gone in a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post
    Plain and simple, more times than not females end up flirting with guys in said guild, only to find out shes married and sleeping with other male guild mates, drama insues and all 7-10 players end up leaving.....all over one drama queen.
    Ok, so let me summarize. There is a conflict because some members of the guild of opposite gender sleep together and it's women's fault? Is it only me who sees that there is something wrong in this picture? It's always a bit dangerous when guild members become closer emotionally but it goes both for love and plain friendship. Whenever there is something wrong between them personally it will influence guild's atmosphere. But once again this is not only women that have very close friends in guilds. I've this happen between guys as well.

    Not all women are like this, however, as I said, it does happen more than not...for those women/girls who just want to play, it sucks that someone elses behavior makes life hard for you.
    The problem isn't someone's behaviour but people believing in stereotypes rather than checking something for their own. In vast majority of personal cases stereotypes are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki View Post
    I've been operating like this since WoW came out. Cleared every tier of content.

    In fact, it was even harder to have a raid full of people who weren't scum back when you needed 40 people. The turnover was amazing.

    Edit: Clearly you think I meant my group pugs half of my raid. I mean that 50% of my guild is the "real" people, and the other 50% are people who WILL be gone in a year.
    Oh, I see what you're saying

    I was imagine you finding 13 people from trade chat every week, and just... didn't picture that being very successful
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    Stupid assumption imo... In my guid, hell, in my 10man raiding group we have 2 girls and they dont cause any "problems" at all. In fact i think it's a good thing we don't have a group of 10 blokes pumping male idioticl thoughts into our vent channel while we raid.. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    Ok, so let me summarize. There is a conflict because some members of the guild of opposite gender sleep together and it's women's fault? Is it only me who sees that there is something wrong in this picture? It's always a bit dangerous when guild members become closer emotionally but it goes both for love and plain friendship. Whenever there is something wrong between them personally it will influence guild's atmosphere. But once again this is not only women that have very close friends in guilds. I've this happen between guys as well.


    The problem isn't someone's behaviour but people believing in stereotypes rather than checking something for their own. In vast majority of personal cases stereotypes are wrong.
    Look at how much arguing there is (45 pages worth), just over this. The guys that run this Guild clearly don't want to deal with any of this, so they just say no women, period

    Seems reasonable to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    Oh, I see what you're saying

    I was imagine you finding 13 people from trade chat every week, and just... didn't picture that being very successful
    lol. Yeah that would be terrible. I'd quit WoW before I did that.

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    Amazed this got to so many pages....

    //ot

    Ive raided in guilds with many females, with few females, and no females through various expansions in wow's career. I've even been in a highly ranked raiding guild with a female GM.

    During a raid, women are often outsanding players, just like the men and there is no differentiation.

    I can say that women certainly add a flavor to the play experience, especially whenever you're not raiding.

    However these experiences can sometimes cause jealousy, drama, epeen waving, etc. between various male members all of which can destroy guild cohesion. I've even seen it happen.

    Also there are times when men say things, or would like to say things, to vent about various women problems. And their "bros' are the guys they play wow with. Women being around, or listening in, or whatever can change the dynamic of the conversation and it can just not be as casual say whatever ish.

    Its not that they are trying to discrimihate, they just want "boys night" when they play wow, and dont want to have to worry about drama that can come all too easily when you add women to the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    You can pretend that women never cause drama in WoW if you want, but it doesn't change the facts
    I don't pretend they don't. I've met few female drama queens myself. But stop pretending that men don't do that as well. They do and they are often worse than women in that :P

    Having girls around means there's a higher chance of drama
    My current guild has a lot of females. I've never been in a guild that is more calm. The only rare dramas that happened during my time here were caused by men and had nothing to do with females :P So please, do everyone a favour and stop fueling up something that is hardly true and does nothing but harm to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    I don't pretend they don't. I've met few female drama queens myself. But stop pretending that men don't do that as well. They do and they are often worse than women in that :P


    My current guild has a lot of females. I've never been in a guild that is more calm. The only rare dramas that happened during my time here were caused by men and had nothing to do with females :P So please, do everyone a favour and stop fueling up something that is hardly true and does nothing but harm to people.
    I never said that men can't, or don't cause drama. I just said that removing women from the situation is one way to effectively prevent a high potential for drama
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    Look at how much arguing there is (45 pages worth), just over this. The guys that run this Guild clearly don't want to deal with any of this, so they just say no women, period

    Seems reasonable to me
    Topics about for example "which wow expantion was the best" have even more pages. Do you want to tell me that it's caused by women too? What you said equals saying that II World War was because of women :P Is ignorance really that strong in you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    I never said that men can't, or don't cause drama. I just said that removing women from the situation is one way to effectively prevent a high potential for drama
    You don't have any proof for that appart from some stereotipical thinking. In my experience, the more females in the guild the better the over atmosphere and less stupid dramas. Dramas are caused by immature people which has nothing to do with gender and even not always with age.

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    It's simple... Sorry ladies but look at the most successful guild in WoW history (Nihilum). Kungen (GM/RL/MT of Nihilum) has stated on his live stream that no girls were allowed because girls bring drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    You can pretend that women never cause drama in WoW if you want, but it doesn't change the facts

    Having girls around means there's a higher chance of drama

    I dont think anyone is pretending that women never cause drama in WoW.. At the same time you should be aware that
    just as many teenage boys are causing drama that might be effecting guilds..

    I would want to turn your little statement around and change it to: 'Having teenage boys around women means there is a higher
    chance of drama
    ', since obviously many teenage boys (unfortunately) have problems talking with women.. Its something you
    learn at a higher age I suppose..



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    ....just because they want to hang out with only men/women/horses, and that's ok!....

    Bob.... lol =)

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    This is what happens when "people with 0% social power think they have police powers on the internet" failing to realize theyve fucked up everything in life they continue like this until a blood vessel gets plugged after gaming 60hours and they die....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceronys View Post
    It's simple... Sorry ladies but look at the most successful guild in WoW history (Nihilum). Kungen (GM/RL/MT of Nihilum) has stated on his live stream that no girls were allowed because girls bring drama.
    I would question his maturity at the time he said that. No mature person causes drama. No mature person claims drama is caused by one gender in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicz View Post
    This is what happens when "people with 0% social power think they have police powers on the internet" failing to realize theyve fucked up everything in life they continue like this until a blood vessel gets plugged after gaming 60hours and they die....
    what does this post even mean

  17. #897
    women cause drama. even women admit women cause drama. this isnt rocket science nor a 45 page discussion. them not recruiting females is the same as a guys night out. you idiots gonna come write a novel on why i dont allow girls on my guys night out also? you know why no women are allowed on those days? cause we want no drama!
    Last edited by Faint^; 2012-08-21 at 01:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    I would question his maturity at the time he said that. No mature person causes drama. No mature person claims drama is caused by one gender in particular.
    As stated

    No one's saying that every girl causes drama, or that only girls cause drama. The undisputed fact is that removing women from the situation prevents a high potential for drama
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    I never said that men can't, or don't cause drama. I just said that removing women from the situation is one way to effectively prevent a high potential for drama
    So...
    When it's women causing drama let's remove the offending women. Sounds about right.
    When it's men causing drama, let's remove women because they were making it hard for the men to think straight, thus causing drama.

    Hokay.

    I'm in no way saying there is NEVER woman-related drama (I've been in a situation where someone brought their GF to the guild and it got rather ugly... and that would've been avoided if that said GF had not been a part of the guild) but most of the time it's HUMAN drama, where the human in question happens to be a woman. People are just more inclined to think that's woman drama because "girls always cause drama"
    In my current guild the people who bitch most about not getting the gear they want are men. I have passed on tier tokens for them because I'm friends with our RL and I know he's the one who has to hear bitching. If those people would be women there would be shouts of "ALL WOMEN WANT GEAR WITH NO EFFORT OMG LOOT HOES" but because they're men people are just "oh well those people must be pain in the ass to deal with" and not "ALL MEN ARE LOOTWHORES"


    If you want dramafree guild, do your research. Contact their previous guild and ask them why they left if you think there might be drama involved. Check how many guilds they've been in for the past year or so. Think about how mature they are (generally people aged 22+ are a bit more mature, buuuut I wouldn't count on age only; you can have really fun and intelligent 16-year-old boys and utterly immature and petty 30+ men) and drop the YEAH HE'S MAN SO NO DRAMAZ and NOPES LADY PERSON DRAMA INCOMING thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadylol View Post
    As stated

    No one's saying that every girl causes drama, or that only girls cause drama. The undisputed fact is that removing women from the situation prevents a high potential for drama
    It's not undisputed :P Unless you have a solid scientific proof you can't state that. Stereotypes are not facts.

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