Nibiru and Akkadians/Sumerians

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I'm not asking why you think it doesn't exist or other general cynicisms I'm asking what you think of the idea and general belief. I'm also asking about the concept as a whole not just the apocalyptic Planet X stuff.

EDIT:
Have to say as I led a lot of people to misunderstand, that I'm asking about Nibiru in terms of it as a concept. As in what do you think of the idea of Gods/Kings being from another planet? Or what do you think of the fact that the Sumerians were well ahead of their time but were absorbed by other cultures incredibly quickly despite it being a relatively barren place? I didn't mean to spark so many debates over the apocalypse etc.

[Ynna]

What are you asking specifically? Because all I know about Sumerians is that they believed that their culture was founded on the banks of their god Enki's sperm.

[Gamdwelf]

well if you have heard the story of gilgamesh, the sumerians' believed that humans were generated by an alien race who genetically engineered us from apes on earth and their own DNA. \

they traveled on a giant ship/planet called nibiriu, that orbits the sun in a wide eliptical orbit that comes near earth every 3000 years or so.

[Deleted]

What are you asking specifically? Because all I know about Sumerians is that they believed that their culture was founded on the banks of their god Enki's sperm.

People's opinions on the various aspects of that culture.
A lot of people know things about the culture (as you showed above) and was just interested in people sharing these tidbits of knowledge.
For example the fact that their Gods were from another planet (a ninth planet with an orbit of 3600 years.) Again please don't bring any antireligion BS in here. It's a largely bygone culture, I don't care about why you think they were wrong as proved by recent scientific studies.

well if you have heard the story of gilgamesh, the sumerians' believed that humans were generated by an alien race who genetically engineered us from apes on earth and their own DNA.

I didn't know Gilgamesh contained a creation story, I studied it in terms of immortality.

[Eo Jenkins]

I am not saying it was Ancient Aliens...but it was Ancient Aliens.



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I am not saying it was Ancient Aliens...but it was Ancient Aliens.

Intervention Theory?
Not something I believe but it's pretty popular.

[Ynna]

The stuff I looked up after reading Snowcrash was pretty interesting, but I didn't know they had this "ancient aliens" thing going on. Further study: GO!

[Deleted]

The stuff I looked up after reading Snowcrash was pretty interesting, but I didn't know they had this "ancient aliens" thing going on. Further study: GO!

Yeah I've been reading up a lot of stuff, I find it interesting how they think of themselves as the 'original' humans and also how prevalent a lot of their stories are in current culture (see Tower of Babel).

[Sayl]

I'm not asking why you think it doesn't exist or other general cynicisms I'm asking what you think of the idea and general belief.

The idea or general belief, as you put it, stems from the writings of frauds like Zecharia Sitchin and one or two other "ancient astronaut" proponents. Those notions are soundly rejected by actual scholars for good reason: they're outlandish, nonsensical distortions of history, rife with pseudoscience.

I'm also asking about the concept as a whole not just the apocalyptic Planet X stuff.

The "concept" relies upon treating ancient cultural mythologies as literal, factual accounts of specific events, and is further skewed by the authors' steadfast belief in extraterrestrial visitation/intervention. It can be soundly dismissed for a myriad of reasons.

[superstarz]

does anybody have any documentaries about this subject. im interested in learning about them. thanks

[Albert the fish]

like so many other things this forum has talked about today, there simply isn't enough information to honestly speculate.
i'm not going to be a cynical jackass like others and insist that it can't exist because "argumant from ignorance! DUH". i'm not ashamed to admit that i don't know.
i'm also not going to be a blind idiot and insist that it does exist because of a few pieces of weak folklore. I have a greater belief in facts than that.

so i'm going to sit in the middle and say "i don't know. until new evidence comes forward my stances makes little difference."

it's probably foolish to immediately disregard things the ancients say purely because "lol they didn't know nuffin, they were ancient" because we've proven time and again the ancient world was more advanced than we tend to give them credit for.
of course if we do take their understanding of human creation via exogenesis to be worthy of investigation than we should also investigate other cultures. some of these sound silly at first note "we came from the underworlds and climbed up!" or "we fell from the sky" but they might be allegorical to factual events we don't understand yet.

the best bet is to try to calculate approx. any time the Akkadians or Sumerians thought Nibiru was around and calculate out the rough timeframe for the next visit and wait for it.

[Galloways]

im interested in learning about them. thanks

Same here. I've never heard of these terms before, lol.

[zerocoolhack]

does anybody have any documentaries about this subject. im interested in learning about them. thanks

Just wait till next year you will be able to find books and movies on them in bargain bins across the world.

[Deleted]

The idea or general belief, as you put it, stems from the writings of frauds like Zecharia Sitchin and one or two other "ancient astronaut" proponents. Those notions are soundly rejected by actual scholars for good reason: they're outlandish, nonsensical distortions of history, rife with pseudoscience.

I don't see what you're trying to say?
I literally said in the QUOTE that I didn't want to hear about why a 6000 year civilization was wrong. I'm asking what people think of - what remains - the culture and their beliefs.

The "concept" relies upon treating ancient cultural mythologies as literal, factual accounts of specific events, and is further skewed by the authors' steadfast belief in extraterrestrial visitation/intervention. It can be soundly dismissed for a myriad of reasons.

You get that Nibiru is more than a doomsday thing right?
Yes there is a doomsday theory associated with it and the signs before it (see drying up of the Euphrates), but it was much more than that. I'm pretty sure they believed it was the home of their Gods - might be wrong because I know they thought that their kings were descended from heaven and were regarded as deities but I don't know if that means they are human incarnations or are literally aliens.

After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28,800 years.

[Simulacrum]

i'm not going to be a cynical jackass like others and insist that it can't exist because "argumant from ignorance! DUH". i'm not ashamed to admit that i don't know.
i'm also not going to be a blind idiot and insist that it does exist because of a few pieces of weak folklore. I have a greater belief in facts than that.

Demanding evidence for an implausible claim does not make someone a "cynical jackass". Pretending like unverifiable claims merit serious concern may not make someone a blind idiot, but acting as if thuroughly debunked nonsense, in the absence of evidence, merits any concern beyond dismissal does make someone a blind idiot.

Claims aren't deserving of serious consideration just because somebody made them.

[Albert the fish]

in line with what the OP seems to want, i'll try again.

It's an interesting thing honestly, not whether it's wrong or right or anything like that, but because it shows that the first human cultures we know of were not only theorizing on human creation but were knowledgeable on some level that outer space existed as more than funny lights way out there.
there was some level of understanding that things existed well outside of our planetary level and things could potentially come from there.

that's a pretty advanced level of understanding for the first couple of human civilizations. also the understanding of our close similarity to other apes is nothing short of astonishing. whether they thought alien gods turned other apes into humans or something else did something, they seemed to be fully aware that we were extremely closely related to them and most societies either laughed at that notion or never seemed to think about it until science proved it.

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Demanding evidence for an implausible claim does not make someone a "cynical jackass". Pretending like unverifiable claims merit serious concern may not make someone a blind idiot, but acting as if thuroughly debunked nonsense, in the absence of evidence, merits any concern beyond dismissal does make someone a blind idiot.

i'm not going to bother trying to handwalk anyone else to to difference between "probably didn't happen" and "absolutely cannot happen" again today. people are over cynical jackasses and can't admit they don't know. i'm not sure why it makes people uncomfortable. besides, the OP said that it's not what he wants to talk about.

[Kalis]

in line with what the OP seems to want, i'll try again.

It's an interesting thing honestly, not whether it's wrong or right or anything like that, but because it shows that the first human cultures we know of were not only theorizing on human creation but were knowledgeable on some level that outer space existed as more than funny lights way out there.
there was some level of understanding that things existed well outside of our planetary level and things could potentially come from there.

that's a pretty advanced level of understanding for the first couple of human civilizations. also the understanding of our close similarity to other apes is nothing short of astonishing. whether they thought alien gods turned other apes into humans or something else did something, they seemed to be fully aware that we were extremely closely related to them and most societies either laughed at that notion or never seemed to think about it until science proved it.

The main problem is that they didn't believe those things; they were claimed by a crackpot who made up texts and deliberately mistranslated known texts.

Their religious beliefs were, unsurprisingly, remarkably similar to all the other religions in that region - even the Jewish religion has many similarities.

[Reeve]

The stuff I looked up after reading Snowcrash was pretty interesting, but I didn't know they had this "ancient aliens" thing going on. Further study: GO!

Such an amazingly good book.

[Ynna]

Such an amazingly good book.

Written by such an amazing writer.

[Hedleyazg]

Demanding evidence for an implausible claim does not make someone a "cynical jackass". Pretending like unverifiable claims merit serious concern may not make someone a blind idiot, but acting as if thuroughly debunked nonsense, in the absence of evidence, merits any concern beyond dismissal does make someone a blind idiot.

Claims aren't deserving of serious consideration just because somebody made them.

What about it is implausible? You thinking it is not possible makes it implausible? It is plausible, humans do not understand the extent to which technology can go and is capable of.