BenQ XL2420T vs Samsung S27A750D

[nocturnus]

As the title suggests, which of these two monitors would you buy and why? The obvious choice seems the Samsung, considering it has the same features but is larger. What would you guys do and why, if you were presented with this dilemma?

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/compa.../275832;296222

[n0cturnal]

BenQ since it is smaller. I'd hate to sit on a 27" 1920x1080, especially one with a TN panel.

[nocturnus]

BenQ since it is smaller. I'd hate to sit on a 27" 1920x1080, especially one with a TN panel.

Why is that exactly? I've got a 60" TV which looks great at 1080p.

[n0cturnal]

Why is that exactly? I've got a 60" TV which looks great at 1080p.

It might look good when you are sitting 9 feet away in your sofa, it wont look good when you are sitting 2-3 feet away.

[Xcuse]

Yea but you don't sit at arm-length distance to your TV :P

If you want a 27" you should go for 2560 x 1440. You may think it won't bother you, and it probably won't until you see one of those babies in action. You'd love it.
If you want to stay at 1080p, go for the 24" one.

[Asmekiel]

I'd vote 24" as well.
I have a 24" 1920x1200 screen myself and I can count pixels. With a 27" screen those pixels would be even larger.

[Shinzai]

I'd vote 24" as well.
I have a 24" 1920x1200 screen myself and I can count pixels. With a 27" screen those pixels would be even larger.

I wish people would stop saying they can count the pixels on on things. I've explained else where, at resolutions in the 1920x---- region, you're talking about 2million+ pixels across the screen. It's physically impossible to count them. If you mean you can see that textures are blurry and things like that, that's just because most games aren't tuned to look great at close range.

[Asmekiel]

I wish people would stop saying they can count the pixels on on things. I've explained else where, at resolutions in the 1920x---- region, you're talking about 2million+ pixels across the screen. It's physically impossible to count them. If you mean you can see that textures are blurry and things like that, that's just because most games aren't tuned to look great at close range.

I don't mean that I'm going to count them literally, I mean that I can see individual pixels...

[nocturnus]

I'm not asking for myself. My cousin needs to buy a (120hz) monitor and even though I can give an objective opinion on both screens, I wasn't able to give an objective answer when he asked me which of the two he should buy. Both monitors have received great reviews, with Samsung receiving praise for its color density and Benq for its eyfinity 2 compatibility.

As for the resolution, it doesn't bother me at all. I've got an IPS panel at work and have a TN panel at home. It would bother me way more to play games at 60hz, in stead of 120hz.

[n0cturnal]

I wish people would stop saying they can count the pixels on on things. I've explained else where, at resolutions in the 1920x---- region, you're talking about 2million+ pixels across the screen. It's physically impossible to count them. If you mean you can see that textures are blurry and things like that, that's just because most games aren't tuned to look great at close range.

Yes it is over 2 million total pixels, but one line across the screen just holds 1920 pixels and if you try you can actually see them, on my Dell U2412m the pixels are 0.27mm large and it isn't that hard to see. The result is about 94DPI(PPI). A 60" 1920x1080 will have a pixel size of 0.69mm and a DPI of 37.

[pansertjald]

i have the Samsung SA700D 23" screen and i must say that i love it.

many people told me that the benQ was better because of the Samsung glosy screen. but im not gaming in a bright room, so it doesn`t bother me. plus the picture is ALOT better on the Samsung, then the benQ....... testet them both in the store before i got the Samsung.

only minus with the Samsung screen is the glosy glass, if your cousin is playing in a bright room or have alot of sun in the room in the day time

[Shinzai]

Yes it is over 2 million total pixels, but one line across the screen just holds 1920 pixels and if you try you can actually see them, on my Dell U2412m the pixels are 0.27mm large and it isn't that hard to see. The result is about 94DPI(PPI). A 60" 1920x1080 will have a pixel size of 0.69mm and a DPI of 37.

With a 60" at close-mid range, I'd agree they would start to become noticeable. But talking about 24-27" monitors and 1920x1080 being an issue, is just ridiculous. And I'm not sure how something 0.27mm in size is easy to see at 2-4 feet away (standard sitting distance for most people).

[nocturnus]

With a 60" at close-mid range, I'd agree they would start to become noticeable. But talking about 24-27" monitors and 1920x1080 being an issue, is just ridiculous. And I'm not sure how something 0.27mm in size is easy to see at 2-4 feet away (standard sitting distance for most people).

I agree and think it was overly exaggerated. That said, we're still facing a dilemma ^^

[BicycleMafioso]

Colour distortion on TN panels that big is a real thing. Things near the edges and corners, even in a mono-colour will be looking worse, and change.
That is inevitable in a TN-panel.
You might not see it yet, but it's there. This is true for me, even at 24".

As for pixel density, I can easily discern, despite my rather poor eyesight without glasses, that they are jagged and stuff. It'll look worse on a 27".
But hey - maybe you don't see it, nor the colour distortion. Which is good for you.
I cannot count on that and thus recommend it to you, however.

If you go 27" or above, I really do recommend an alternate panel type and a higher resolution.
If the choice are only those two monitors, the former.
If you have a choice for monitors which looks good instead, take it.

You will be spending more on inexpensive screens if you keep upgrading them, wheras with one really good screen, you won't have to update until 4K resolutions are main stream. If at that.

[Speedlance]

As the title suggests, which of these two monitors would you buy and why? The obvious choice seems the Samsung, considering it has the same features but is larger. What would you guys do and why, if you were presented with this dilemma?

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/compa.../275832;296222

I got xt2420T and it's pretty awesome, I enjoy having black equalizer for FPS games because you can see any dark place, 120hz is always nice but both got it so np there.

[n0cturnal]

With a 60" at close-mid range, I'd agree they would start to become noticeable. But talking about 24-27" monitors and 1920x1080 being an issue, is just ridiculous. And I'm not sure how something 0.27mm in size is easy to see at 2-4 feet away (standard sitting distance for most people).

It is pretty simple to see something that small, open up paint or photoshop and make a 1 pixel dot in the middle, surely you will see it but that is not the point.
The point is that with a higher resolution everything looks more crisp, imagine drawing a some symbols with a un-sharpened pencil and after that you sharpen it and draw the same stuff again.

[nocturnus]

Colour distortion on TN panels that big is a real thing. Things near the edges and corners, even in a mono-colour will be looking worse, and change.
That is inevitable in a TN-panel.
You might not see it yet, but it's there. This is true for me, even at 24".

As for pixel density, I can easily discern, despite my rather poor eyesight without glasses, that they are jagged and stuff. It'll look worse on a 27".
But hey - maybe you don't see it, nor the colour distortion. Which is good for you.
I cannot count on that and thus recommend it to you, however.

If you go 27" or above, I really do recommend an alternate panel type and a higher resolution.
If the choice are only those two monitors, the former.
If you have a choice for monitors which looks good instead, take it.

You will be spending more on inexpensive screens if you keep upgrading them, wheras with one really good screen, you won't have to update until 4K resolutions are main stream. If at that.

We're not limited by a specific budget or anything. These screens we're the ones I've read most positive feedback about, that's why we narrowed the search down to these 2. We're not interested in IPS panels unless they're 120hz - which is our only restriction. 60hz is simply a no-go for gaming (in our case).

[Shinzai]

I agree and think it was overly exaggerated. That said, we're still facing a dilemma ^^

Good point, I forgot to say; go with the 27" in my opinion, unless you have a small desk or lack of space.

[Deleted]

Having owned a 21.5" and 24" 1080p monitors I can, from a personal standpoint, tell you that pixel density is of a real concern.

I find that a modern screen should be at least above 90 PPI for it to feel somewhat crisp, taking into consideration a normal viewing distance of around 60-90 cm. For a 27" 1080p monitor, you drop down to 82 PPI, which will make pixels fairly big. If you got a wide desk, say 80 cm, it could work out fine especially if pixel density isn't of a huge concern to you. Dropping down to 24", the PPI is increased to 92 (which to me would be "acceptable").

Speaking entirely from a personal standpoint, I find that 100-120 PPI is the sweetspot of current generation OS scaling (text, icons, etc) sitting at around 70 cm distance. I was incredibly pleased with the PPI on my 21.5" 1080p monitor (102 PPI) and I'm equally pleased with my 27" 2560x1440 monitor (109 PPI).

When the 4K resolution monitors start shipping, I'll most likely try to pick one up when the prices have normalized. 3840x2400 pixels on a 22" monitor would mean an impressive 204 PPI, meaning that pixels would be close to impossible to distinguish.


I'm dwelling a bit off topic perhaps, but judging by the above and the overall praise of the XL2420T my vote goes for the BenQ.

[BicycleMafioso]

We're not limited by a specific budget or anything. These screens we're the ones I've read most positive feedback about, that's why we narrowed the search down to these 2. We're not interested in IPS panels unless they're 120hz - which is our only restriction. 60hz is simply a no-go for gaming (in our case).

If that is your wish, then so be it.
I personally find that 120Hz is subordinate to a good proper panel, but this is not a monitor to fit me or my personal desires.

Consider Asus VG236H (or its followup), Alienware AW2310, or the XL2420T.