Help my healers please

[SpathaSWC]

My guild atm is a very casual guild, were only 1/8H and when we raid most of the time were carrying a few new dps'ers. But I have come to MMO to see if you guys can help us improve our healing done. we run with 3 priests; 2 disc and 1 holy. I know 2 disc isnt the best set-up but its what we got so it's what we use.

the healers Armories are:
Bodow(myself, might be in shadow gear/spec): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...l/Bodow/simple
BlindFaith:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ndfaith/simple
Myriir: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Myriir/simple

WOL of our most recent Raid:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=8075&e=8540

Thanks MMO!

[Jaarh]

Holy isn't hard to learn so I'd recommend one of your Disc switch to it to avoid clashing between the two. You also should mention what you're actually having trouble with in regards to your healers.

[Kardone]

Holy isn't hard to learn so I'd recommend one of your Disc switch to it to avoid clashing between the two. You also should mention what you're actually having trouble with in regards to your healers.

Agreed. There is only so much damage you can take from an encounter especially with the 30% nerf and thus only a finite amount that you can heal. Are there fights in particular you are struggling with? Can you post logs of wipes rather than successful kills to help us find the deficiencies?

I agree with the swap to holy in general to avoid the weakened soul overlap but if one is focused on tanks and the other on raid bubbles/PoH spam it isn't a huge deal either.

So yeah, what specifically can we help you with? The more specific you are the better we can assist

[Markle]

I understand you are a casual guild so i will not nit-pick your priests to death but here are a couple of suggestions that will help your healing teams pull higher HPS

When I briefly looked at the profiles i noted there was several +25 int + 25 spirit or other non +50 int gems these can be changed.
I noticed several non-ideal trinkets i.e. disc priest with the +spirit VP trinket which is absolute trash especially for disc, would be better off with pretty much any other +int trinket even if it is ilvl 378 hell even some of the 359 trinkets are better than that.

When i looked at your WoL i saw a few things I will note any easy one to fix
For Myriir - Prayer of healing was only 4.3% of their healing for madness, this should easily be #1 and total HPS was very low 9K
For Blindfaith - healing was also a little bit low, no greater heals, better use of PoH but still lots of overall room for improvement
For Bodow - could greatly improve Prayer of Mending use

Here is a couple of useful links from Wowinsider
Improving Disc Priest HPS
http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/02/06/sp...iscipline-pri/
Improving Holy Priest Link
http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/03/05/sp...a-holy-priest/

[Dukenukem]

Well,

Im no expert on Priest healing anymore (stoped on Priest with Cata) so i will help as much with what i hear from our DPriest and other general healer hints (Im healing on pala now).
Get good healing frames (I use Healbot) so you can see all around, heal fast and specially see debuffs and debuff count (esential for Yorshay HC).
Get used to fight, plan your CDs ahead (PI,PS,PW:B, DH,HoH) so you have them when needed and help as much you can, but be ready to toss them when things go wrong and you can save the day.
Addon for Rapture timing so you can benefit maximum of it.

From my perspective of your logs....
Get better DPS, like All DPS should go up 2-10k. doing poor DPS put a lot of stress on healers and than it can seem like you are doing bad job but the oposite is true. I think i saw less than 20k on some ppl, some even worse than tank DPS, even in super casual guild this cant happen if you want to kill something.
DS with 30% debuff is healable in 2 heals all fights, only HC Zonozz,Hagara and Spine require 3 Heals now (and even them can be 2 healed with good group).
Best DS 10 combo heal is HPala+DPriest, you dont have ideal but you have strong combo.

[SpathaSWC]

Thanks for the replies thus far. Mainly i am looking at ways to improve our healers, myself included. I hate name calling, so i wont do it. but we have tried to 2 heal some fights and some healers cant pull their own weight. Mostly what i'm looking for is just anything u can find. I know the biggest issue we have is low DPS, and that's being handled. we had a shaman only doing 15k on Madness in Full T13/397 gear.
Myself, I have almost all 25int/25spi gems for longevity. with such low dps the fights last a little longer than we like, Spine took 4 plate phases before we killed him.
these are some other logs that i have:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...s2f/dashboard/
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-rkp9zeqm2714os2f/

and if u wanna nitpick Bodow, please do so

[Comfort]

(Without reading what others have posted before me)
From your armorys:
For all of you: the maw weapon from madness is really great on most fights in DS the heal proc is a significant heal and can be between 6% and 8% of my healing on a fight

For the disc priests:

Both Disc priests are running with an insane amount of spirit than really should be needed (especially when using 3 healers, my guild does 7 bosses on heroic with 2 and 1, which is spine with 3 just for safety).
From what I can see one of you has over 5k spirit with heart of unliving proc'd and I don't even roll with that in near full heroic holy gear.

Both Disc priests should really be reforging that spirit into other secondary stats and ditching the valor spirit trinket for a second int trinket (the dungeon one from Well of Eternity is pretty nice and easy to obtain). As well as regem those gems with spirit (I'm pretty much stacking full 50 int) and change the spirit enchants (basically they are loosing a lot of HPS by gearing this way as disc). Myriir should also change to the int + crit effect meta.

They should also really think about changing their specs, I don't think I have ever seen a disc priest (in pve) spec full Inner Sanctum and Focus'd Will. And no pve priest glyphing the flash heal glyph. And not speccing power infusion is a bad idea (i mean the 2 set makes it even more manditory), its a good boost for the player or a dps in the raid. And not to mention reflective shields should not be anywhere near a pve spec.

More suitable specs for this content are:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/tal...jb!g!ZegTkPlOL
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/tal...jb!g!gTQkPlOLK

The latter is an archangel/atonement spec, which might not be something they are used to.

So overall for the disc priests: Reforge/Regem/Re-enchant/Respec/Reglyph/Get a second int trinket.
They really should not be afraid to do this, I'm pretty sure they are sitting not ooming but doing nowhere near the amount of HPS they could be doing.

For the holy priest:

Even though spirit is far more beneficial for you, i would suggest changing that spirit trinket for heart of unliving as the int on it is very beneficial while you are still having a lot of spirit from the proc (btw you would keep the other int trinket you have). the spirit one you have now though reforge it till you get HoU.
With the fact you dont have heart of unliving I'm going to say you probably have way too much spirit considering your gear. In your level of gear and content being so nerfed you should also be using pure int gems.

if you find you use hw: sanc alot you should also consider getting the 4 set.

in your spec, you should drop blessed recovery. there is no point to have it this late in the patch with your gear, you should not have an survivability problems and you should probably max test of faith. personally i also dont run with spirit of redemption, but i guess its personal, i never really find myself dying at all in DS unless stuff goes extremely wrong and we all die.

I dont uderstand why you are using it too, but the glyph of flash heal is not really useful at all, you are better off to use GS/renew glyph.

so for you the holy priest: i would say try replce that spirit trinket or reforge it till you do/change the few things in your spec/regem.

From your logs:

the one you linked is spine and madness normal, well one of you should really go dps on pretty much all fights if you are not doing spine heroic. your not doing any favors to yourself going at any normal fights with more than 2 healers.

and judging from the madness kill on that WoL one of your disc priests has 85% active time, meaning 15% of that fight hes afk or something.
I looked at another raid night: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3050&e=3231
that fight and others from that night clearly show that that priest is slacking off, 63% active time
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=4058&e=4324 45% active time doing less healing than a shadow priest.

I dunno if this is intended but if it isnt then its something you should look at.

I dunno if its of any use, but wol from a raid night in my guild (DS and FL): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/reeofvhg30rtudxp/
im dps on hagara and ultraxion (where the pala solo heals both) but the others i heal on. (though in FL i slack untill raggy as i was in a pvp spec at the time not really enjoying healing pve conten without archangel/atonement however i changed this before going to DS ^^)

And my armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Comfort/simple
I may or may not be in a pve spec when you check I do RBGs sometimes ^^

As far as learning to do better I can only really suggest talking to other priest healers on your server or here on these forums. As well as looking up guides/forum posts about your spec, you never know you could learn something new

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Well what I have posted I hope is taken as advice and constructive. And by no means am i a leading authority on how a person should play his class/spec. I hope its usefull for you guys what I have written.

And remember that the mists pre-patch is around the corner and things are changing (such as the value of spirit to a healer including disc priests but i would still think the amount you guys have is too much, even for having low dps. my reply to that would be have 1 of you 3 go shadow on all fights on normal and see whats most comfortable on heroic up till replacing your dps)

[Deleted]

Swap one Disc to Holy, If u have troubles with DPS than really 2 healing is the way to go specially on Ultraxion HM.
Let ur Disc priest(s) install a rapture cd tracker, so his/her mana feels better.

2 Disc's doesnt really cut it in 10mans, all fights (on normal) are single tankable so ur disc priests will struggle for Rapture procs and eventually seeing his mana drained. Hence why people suggesting to have one disc go Holy, it may take a few tries to get used to Holy but its not really that hard.

People went through the logs and they gave suggestions, use their tips on spell usage. I would let ur Disc focus more on the tank(s) and a bit of the raid (melee groups sounds good if he/she going to use Atonement spec) While ur holy priests each take a group they focus on and help each other out on the groups.

Have Blindfaith go holy seeing he got the most Spirit out of u all with you not far behind.
Switch the Spirit VP trinkets asap for all spec's and than as holy priest reforge a bit out of spirit (to around 3k (= ~4k with HoU trinket stacked)) to get some more with Mastery (mana free healing as Haste lvls seems fine for Holy spec on Blindfaith and ur self (i would keep haste around 15% meself)).

Also the other Priests (the Disc for sure) should be using Power Torrent weapon enchant. Sure its an Ugly ass enchant but for disc there is basicly no other option.

Myriir (if go to disc) should Regem all to +40/50 int gems, use the +int/crit meta gem like u and blindfaith uses.
With the Spirit VP Trinket replaced for intellect one (from LFR/WoE) even if its a DPS one (CoC as Atonement can be fun for temporarily trinket) from DS he/she can use that one for the time being. The more INT the Disc priest has the more mana and the bigger rapture procs are and thus less mana issues to a point where there is no issue.

As reforge option for disc, reforge out of spirit (till comfortable lvl) into Haste/Crit.
Theres alot of haste on gear so prolly reforge more into crit, as for example: i run with 1550 spirit as disc reforged all my spirit into crit.

For addons:

I would suggest PowerAura's for u all where u can track (u need to set it up, once u get the hang of it its the best addon to get) ur Trinket Stacks and duration (specially usefull if u atonement disc as Smite/HF doesnt add a stack) or any other CD / Proc thats going on.

If Blindfaith doesnt want to change to holy than Myriir should, just discuss it with them.
Eventually u going to 2 Heal the fights on normal, in that case both can have a Disc offspec if u going to heal all fights in all the raids.

USe the above mentioned specs (i would go for atonement on the Disc priest).

p.s. If u cast mending on the tank and other priest does so as well he overwrites ur mending and thus wasting ur mana on the spell.
3 priests is bound to have some Mending cast go to waste, there are some trackers for mending. I got Grid setup for that as i heal together with a Holy Priest.

(we got 3 healers the Holy Priest is full time healer as she's not good as shadow and me and the Shaman alternates)