Mists Fury Warrior Guide

[Rustynip]

Hey there Rustynip those question help me a lot but i have more and in my quest of learning warrior i will ask any questions even if they sound stupid so please bear with me for a sec

Now for my other questions as we start normal the general rotation BT-GCD-GCD-BT as we pool the rage for the next CS cycle and we burn the rage in 6 sec do we delay BT till the armor debuff its off or we use BT or cd

Use BT on cooldown unless you're finishing off your 3 Bloodsurge proc's.

As i keep testing my warrior on PTR i have this situation when i get a Blood surge proc and RB (this is not under CS) what's the best way to do it delay BT or go for RB-Blood Surge-BT-Blood Surge?

So if both are procc'd and you BT is off cd, it'll look like this: BT>RB>WS>WS>WS>BT...
but if you BT is on CD, then you're going to have a rotation like this: RB>BT>WS>WS>WS>BT...

We have time to use 2 fillers in BT circle now lets say everything its on CD what do u prefer BT-WS-WS or BT-WS-(Battle Shout or Heroic Throw) and pool up the rage for the next CS cycle

This is really situational and really depends on how much rage you're gaining at that particular time. If you cant burn it off fast enough, use WS but if you're trying to be rage conscious then use HT>BS.

[Jalopy]

Few questions, if I may.

1) If BT and CS are both going to come off cooldown at the same time, should I delay the CS and use BT again, so that my CS can lead into the next BT?
2) Should I always use all three charges of bloodsurge before a new BT? For example, I hit BT, RB + BS proc, I use RB, then finish up all three stacks of BS before BTing again?
3) For right now, would it be worthwhile (in a min/max sense) to trade off all my +str gems for +crit?
4) As I understand, our stat priority is hit/exp @ 7.5% > crit > str > mast > haste > hit. Is any hit beyond 7.5% worth going for? Or should I always prefer crit/str/mast to it?
5) In your CS burst window priority in the first post, you list three usages of HS on top of CS -> BT -> RB/WS -> RB/WS. Is the HS for a "if rage allows" sort of thing, or should I using HS in that window until I'm out of rage (assuming I don't starve myself before BT is back up).
6) Outside of CS burst windows, when is a good time to use DC, and to a larger extent, HS? I'm assuming I should be using HS anytime I'm near capping my bar, correct?
7) Not counting execute phases where we're supposed to line up every cooldown at once, when are the best times for our cooldowns? You already touched on BB being combined with DR + CS burst windows, but what about SB? I'd imagine either at the start of the pull, or during a mechanic that gives you a damage boost, correct? And seeing as Reck is a 5m CD, I'd imagine that's saved solely for execute phase burst (although T14 bonus does make it a 3m...).
8) Shattering Throw should still be used for the raid's benefit on a BL/Hero, or otherwise burn phase, right?

A lot of questions, but I'd appreciate if you could look them over. Oh, and tell Eviewar hi.

[Rustynip]

Few questions, if I may.

1) If BT and CS are both going to come off cooldown at the same time, should I delay the CS and use BT again, so that my CS can lead into the next BT?
2) Should I always use all three charges of bloodsurge before a new BT? For example, I hit BT, RB + BS proc, I use RB, then finish up all three stacks of BS before BTing again?
3) For right now, would it be worthwhile (in a min/max sense) to trade off all my +str gems for +crit?
4) As I understand, our stat priority is hit/exp @ 7.5% > crit > str > mast > haste > hit. Is any hit beyond 7.5% worth going for? Or should I always prefer crit/str/mast to it?
5) In your CS burst window priority in the first post, you list three usages of HS on top of CS -> BT -> RB/WS -> RB/WS. Is the HS for a "if rage allows" sort of thing, or should I using HS in that window until I'm out of rage (assuming I don't starve myself before BT is back up).
6) Outside of CS burst windows, when is a good time to use DC, and to a larger extent, HS? I'm assuming I should be using HS anytime I'm near capping my bar, correct?
7) Not counting execute phases where we're supposed to line up every cooldown at once, when are the best times for our cooldowns? You already touched on BB being combined with DR + CS burst windows, but what about SB? I'd imagine either at the start of the pull, or during a mechanic that gives you a damage boost, correct? And seeing as Reck is a 5m CD, I'd imagine that's saved solely for execute phase burst (although T14 bonus does make it a 3m...).
8) Shattering Throw should still be used for the raid's benefit on a BL/Hero, or otherwise burn phase, right?

A lot of questions, but I'd appreciate if you could look them over. Oh, and tell Eviewar hi.

1) BT always takes preference over CS
2) Yes, use up all three charges unless you need to CS in the middle of it.
3) I haven't paid too much attention to 85 because honestly it doesn't really matter and I'm not spending gold to regem for a month.
4) Hit doesn't mean as much past the cap as it used to. Go for Crit/Mastery over hit after the 7.5% cap.
5) Well the point of CS phase is to empty your rage bar (which theoretically should have been full at the start of it). You don't have to use 3, just however many you can fit in there.
6) That's correct. I use DC whenever I want to keep from capping but don't want to use up a full HS worth of rage.
7) Well depending on the fight length, you're going to want to use Reck at the end during execute, but if time allows also in the beginning. In your opener, pile on as many damage cooldowns as you can before reck and use Dragon Roar. This will really boost its damage. Immediately following use reck then Colossus Smash and go about the normal rotation. Stormbolt should be ideally used when you're enraged and during a colossus debuff and with cooldowns if they're up.
8) Yep.

[Deleted]

I must admit, even after some testing on Beta, that i was shocked at how flowing and polished fury feels at this point as SMF specifically. Amazing rage regeneration, good damage, interactive gameplay and loads of mobility. The new rage model was more benefical to fury than i imagined.
Had the TfB-mechanic been as polished we would've had three out of three amazing specs to pick and choose from.

It's a good time to be a warrior and if anyone only spews negativity they're expecting something borderline unrealistic from an MMO.
The guide is very tidy and informative too. I appreciate it, Rusty.

[Deleted]

I must admit, even after some testing on Beta, that i was shocked at how flowing and polished fury feels at this point as SMF specifically. Amazing rage regeneration, good damage, interactive gameplay and loads of mobility. The new rage model was more benefical to fury than i imagined.
Had the TfB-mechanic been as polished we would've had three out of three amazing specs to pick and choose from.

It's a good time to be a warrior and if anyone only spews negativity they're expecting something borderline unrealistic from an MMO.
The guide is very tidy and informative too. I appreciate it, Rusty.

/totally sign!

[Jalopy]

Out of curiosity, what's your reasoning for prioritizing BS > DR? Even if you utilize all three charges of BT, it'd still hit less than a DR (I believe, or at least you'd require all three to consecutively crit to be even close/surpass). Wouldn't it be more worthwhile to forego at least one stack of BS for a DR?

[Rustynip]

There are just a ton of factors that go into a decision like that. You still have to follow the priority system of BT>CS>RB>Bloodsurge. This means that if you hit BT and your Bloodsurge procs, you have to delay it if you have one or more better options available. Since there is such a short duration on Bloodsurge procs, you're not going to want to waste it completely and spending that extra GCD on Dragon Roar might let the buff fall off. You also don't want to use Dragon Roar during a CS debuff as it doesn't gain any benefit.

Another thing is that from an overall damage standpoint, Dragon Roar will not be doing as much damage per second as Bloodsurge because its on a 1 min CD.

[Gum]

Okay, i was confused by your Bloodbath explanation, see, i could have sworn it said "melee attacks" when it factors in the damage it will do, but you insist on using dragons roar inside the CD, wich isnt much of a melee abillity, unless im mistaken? Actually id assume that it would indeed lower the overall damage Bloodbath would do, and im guessing that using DR just before going for a BB dumb would indeed be ideal?

[Ochron]

Satori, here are the results you were looking for...
Here is the Sim with my current gear setup: http://i.imgur.com/ztAIQ.png

And here is my the Sim with the other Warrior in my guild ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ngold/advanced ): http://i.imgur.com/E2qx9.png

[Rustynip]

Okay, i was confused by your Bloodbath explanation, see, i could have sworn it said "melee attacks" when it factors in the damage it will do, but you insist on using dragons roar inside the CD, wich isnt much of a melee abillity, unless im mistaken? Actually id assume that it would indeed lower the overall damage Bloodbath would do, and im guessing that using DR just before going for a BB dumb would indeed be ideal?

Originally it worked like that. They since changed the way that Dragon Roar works so that for each target it hits, it counts as a direct melee attack. What this means is that we now have to use it on enemies from behind because it can be parried/dodged. On the other hand this allows its damage to be applied to Bloodbath.

[Ochron]

6) That's correct. I use DC whenever I want to keep from capping but don't want to use up a full HS worth of rage.

This makes it sound like at some point you'd want to use a full rage HS

[Satori]

Satori, here are the results you were looking for...
Here is the Sim with my current gear setup: http://i.imgur.com/ztAIQ.png

And here is my the Sim with the other Warrior in my guild ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ngold/advanced ): http://i.imgur.com/E2qx9.png

ROFL. Thanks a lot man.

That crit EP value is ridiculous...almost 5k dps from gemming?

[Ochron]

That's what it is claiming. Crit is really just worth that much.

[Rustynip]

Satori, here are the results you were looking for...
Here is the Sim with my current gear setup: http://i.imgur.com/ztAIQ.png

And here is my the Sim with the other Warrior in my guild ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ngold/advanced ): http://i.imgur.com/E2qx9.png

Is this at 85?

[Satori]

Yes it is.

SMF also sims with Crit >> STR > Mastery > Haste.

[Rustynip]

Streaming 25m Heroic raid testing today. www.twitch.tv/rustynip

[ShadowTitan]

So I first used Berserker Stance by default but seeing how it doesn't have any bonuses anymore (aside from rage gain when getting hit), I went battle stance rage regen is better, so battle is the way to go I'm assuming?

[Rustynip]

Battle for the majority of the time and Berserker for when you're taking mass damage.

[Deleted]

Hey Nip, i was watching your stream on DS LFR. What addon's are u using? i'm using too ElvUI. But i like your addon for tracking Potion, Enrage, Rage bar, internal CD ,and the action bar is Bartender? can u post the macro for heroic leap with Naga?

Thank u so much, and sorry for my bad English.

[Domex Tyranny]

Rusty still is bad x10.