Why do people think WoW has so much endgame when currently they only have ONE raid zone which is Dragon Soul? And a few patches into MoP there will still be only ONE raid zone. If you wanna use games with lots to do at endgame WoW is a horrible example. Use Rift or Everquest. Both have alternate advancement forms of making your characters better at max level, which WoW does not. Rift has Planar Attunement and you grind AA points in EQ. Both also have far more raids available. Rift has 7 currently that people still run every week for gear that are for people of all gear/skill levels. I dont know off my head how many Everquest has but when I last played 2 years ago the guild I joined was working through content that was 2-3 years old so we could progress eventually into harder stuff. 3 years of content vs a single WoW raid....which one has more endgame? Also 5 mans dont count because eventually they are just there for weekly point caps not for loot. Hell most people just BG for honor gear or buy BoEs just so they can skip 5 mans because of the reputation they have earned as being full of bads and just go straight into raiding. Full honor gear is more than enough to get geared up for running LFR and a few weeks of LFR is more than enough to get you into normal modes.
TLDR: Even if Guild Wars 2 only has 1 raid it is still just as many raids as WoW has.
Last edited by Lilly32; 2012-08-28 at 06:30 PM.
And OP: I've said it before, as have others, and I'll say it again, even though you say you're not going to post again (because somehow I doubt the veracity of that): GW2 doesn't have raids, it's been known since day 1 not to have raids, but that doesn't mean there's nothing in the game for people who like raids.
A lot of the people with similar complaints seem to be asking where the extrinsic reward is, and are overly concerned that a certain type of extrinsic reward isn't in the game, or else simply don't see the value in what extrinsic rewards GW2 does offer.
Nothing wrong with preferring a certain kind, of course, but it's kind of odd some of the extreme statements people make in regards to this.
Last edited by DrakeWurrum; 2012-08-28 at 06:31 PM.
I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.
If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.
Yea, I know what you are saying. I feel I could do this (raid without gear) in WoW because the content is sufficiently engaging; at least so far as it's not outlived its useful life, such as the current set of content in WoW. But that's mostly because I enjoy the people I play with. I'll reiterate what I've said 3 times now; I'm hopeful for explorable dungeons as engaging content.$60 on vanity armor (ie, pay for the new expansion just for the vanity armor)? If I'm reading you correctly, I have to just laugh...I'll buy the expansion, for the content. The "vanity armor" is just a bonus, above and beyond that, and allows goals to be set. It's the exact same model that worked for years in GW1, so such skepticism is unwarranted.
This game seems like it has a lot of content to play around with. I suppose it matters how much time you have to put into it as to how much (or how little) it seems to the individual. I work two jobs, so I get to play a couple hours (5ish max) a day and Even with the headstart, I still haven't been able to 100% Plains of Ashford (Charr starting area). I'm ALMOST done though! Doesn't help that I keep getting side tracked into doing Dynamic events that pop up out of nowhere while I'm out exploring (not that I'm complaining!).
Now as far as gear goes, iirc, <that other game> implemented something recently that made players want to go get gear for cosmetic reasons. Nothing wrong with having an epic looking piece of armor. At max level your gear will still make you a bad mamma jamma.
I haven't seen anyone mention (I might have missed it in all the Game Vs. Game comments), but there are tiers of gear that I have found. Located in each race's capital city will be a set of three vendors that sell Tier 1 through 3 of Cultural gear (like RSE gear from FFXI) each with better stats than the last and each set costing more Karma than the last (Tier 3 costing 63k karma per piece I believe). This would, essentially, be that "gear treadmill" everyone is talking about since you can't get karma on the AH with gold, or with gems(afaik) but only by completing events in world. And since each piece costs quite a bit, it will take time to save up and acquire a full set of each.
This game has lots to do, you just have to look for it. Especially if you have limited time to play it.
There is a gear treadmill, sorta, just not in the traditional sense and it's pretty much optional but still there.
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