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    Has some other things in it but the my Savage Defense button shows everything you need for Savage Defense.

    You can see it in action here: http://www.twitch.tv/motoma_aurora/c/1811865

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  2. #202
    I'm not sure I understand what you just posted, Motoma. Which addon is that for? (I assume it needs to be imported.) Also, although I'm late to say it, thank you guys for replying to my question.
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  3. #203
    I've been puzzled of late as to why my rage generation seems to be really lackluster at times. I know RNG has a lot to play, with crits and the 0.03% chance to parry (I'm going RPS) but something didn't feel right. I keep Mangle on CD and use it on procs, prioritise Lacerate over FF, keep Thrash up.

    Turns out FF resets swing timer... this a known thing? I've only played bear as my main since Mists, so not sure if it's a recent happening or not /shrug

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Dendrek View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you just posted, Motoma. Which addon is that for? (I assume it needs to be imported.) Also, although I'm late to say it, thank you guys for replying to my question.
    Probably a Weak Auras string.

    Turns out FF resets swing timer... this a known thing?
    Really? I mean I use it so infrequently that I never bothered to check in any sort of detail. I'll take a look at this and confirm.

  5. #205
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    It's a Weak Auras string yeah sorry I posted that probably a bit too late a night :P

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Arielle View Post
    Really? I mean I use it so infrequently that I never bothered to check in any sort of detail. I'll take a look at this and confirm.
    Yeah, after a few nights of testing dummies and my usual other activities, it definitely resets one's swing

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Phototropic View Post
    Yeah, after a few nights of testing dummies and my usual other activities, it definitely resets one's swing
    This seems to be true, looking at a log of a protectors of the endless kill:

    I've tried to explain some of the additional discrepancies in swing timer as best I could, but there are still some left. However, almost all FF coincide with a discrepancy, unless they line up exactly with the swing. (we pop hero towards the end of asani and it lasts until the boss dies)

    note that the bold numbers are never less than the current swing timer.

    time between time of swing
    last swing
    0:00:00.000 19:21:06.432 time between ff and last swing time of ff
    0:00:02.095 19:21:08.527 time between next swing and ff
    0:00:02.077 19:21:10.604 0:00:00.418 19:21:11.022 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:02.818 19:21:13.422 0:00:02.400
    0:00:02.067 19:21:15.489
    0:00:02.090 19:21:17.579 0:00:02.327 19:21:19.906 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:04.416 19:21:21.995 0:00:02.089
    0:00:02.105 19:21:24.100
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    0:00:03.083 19:21:29.293
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    0:00:03.120 19:21:42.413
    0:00:02.082 19:21:44.495
    0:00:02.065 19:21:46.560
    0:00:02.096 19:21:48.656 0:00:00.151 19:21:48.807 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:02.219 19:21:50.875 0:00:02.068
    0:00:02.086 19:21:52.961
    0:00:02.068 19:21:55.029
    0:00:02.096 19:21:57.125
    0:00:02.080 19:21:59.205
    0:00:02.587 19:22:01.792 0:00:00.482 19:22:02.274 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:02.541 19:22:04.333 0:00:02.059
    0:00:02.080 19:22:06.413
    0:00:02.098 19:22:08.511
    0:00:04.046 19:22:12.557
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    0:00:02.052 19:22:18.774 0:00:00.323 19:22:19.097 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:02.401 19:22:21.175 0:00:02.078
    0:00:02.073 19:22:23.248
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    0:00:02.101 19:22:34.194
    0:00:02.049 19:22:36.243 0:00:01.870 19:22:38.113 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:03.943 19:22:40.186 0:00:02.073
    0:00:02.093 19:22:42.279 0:00:01.861 19:22:44.140 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:03.942 19:22:46.221 0:00:02.081
    0:00:03.450 19:22:49.671 0:00:01.130 19:22:50.801 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:03.216 19:22:52.887 0:00:02.086
    0:00:03.953 19:22:56.840
    0:00:02.089 19:22:58.929
    0:00:02.060 19:23:00.989
    0:00:02.082 19:23:03.071 0:00:00.022 19:23:03.093 Buraan casts Faerie Fire on Protector Kaolan
    0:00:02.099 19:23:05.170 0:00:02.077
    0:00:02.073 19:23:07.243
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    Nice to know

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Wasboz View Post
    Nice to know
    Apparently GC thought they fixed it. Which means it's not intended for FFF to be bad, and they'll go back and fix it again.

    Using FFF over Thrash (except to refresh the debuff) is an RPS loss until they do fix it though.

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    So have 3 trinkets to choose from for soloing content as Guardian; which would you guys go for?

    463 Searing Words
    476 Bottle
    483 Terror

    I'm thinking of just justice upgrading Searing Words + Terror until I get the heroic Bottle or can snag the Tigers cards for under 5k. Thoughts?

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    I'm thinking of just justice upgrading Searing Words + Terror until I get the heroic Bottle or can snag the Tigers cards for under 5k. Thoughts?
    The 5.1 rep trinket (Dominance/Shieldwall) also replaces Searing Words, but yeah - you have the right idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielle View Post
    The 5.1 rep trinket (Dominance/Shieldwall) also replaces Searing Words, but yeah - you have the right idea.
    Oh, forgot about the Shieldwall trinket. At this point though I dunno if I really want to spend valor on offspec gear but I guess it beats just buying stuff and deing them for the Sha Crystal.

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    Does DR still affect armor and if so, does anyone have the formulae ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luedieniel View Post
    Does DR still affect armor and if so, does anyone have the formulae ?

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    Armor: The physical damage reduction provided by the armor of the lower level combatant decreases as the level of the higher level combatant increases. To find out what kind of damage reduction you receive, use this simple formula: DamageReduction = TargetArmor / (TargetArmor + 4037.5*AttackerLevel – 317117.5).
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    Arielle, just one thing I got to mention by now...

    On
    "Might of Ursoc Increases your current and maximum health by 30% for 20 seconds. Health is lost when the effect ends. This is the other half of the old Frenzied Regeneration as a new tanking cooldown."

    No Health is lost when the effect ends, we just return to the previous "maximum health". Since the "maximum health" that you get is the current health that you gain... I mean. You've, let's say, 200k / 500k hp(current / maximum health) and you use Might of Ursoc, you have now 350k / 650k (current / maximum health).

    Even if you drop bear form, the health will still be there... Just not the Maximum Health, this is incredibly useful as cat... Since you are, let's say, 50k /400k, you use might of ursoc, and you get like 170k / 520k... then you can just change back to Cat and you should have, "the current health gain", 170k, this is mainly useful for dailies and stuff...
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    Glyphed Ursoc is a very good survivability option for Cat as well.

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    Something interesting that I don't think has been mentioned here:
    If you are asked as Guardian to pop HotW and heal the raid, if you rejuv spam in cat form, you double dip from HotW.

    You get a spellpower boost directly by 100% and then also for the cat dps aspect you get 100% more agi in cat form which translates to spell power through Nurturing Instinct. You can cast rejuv in cat form because of the special clause in HotW for Guardians allowing it to be cast in any form.

    With my current gear, a rejuv hits for 9k, with HotW hits for 19k, and with HotW in cat form hits for 30k (all per tick obviously)
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    intresting, i never read the latest updated version of it, i still though it was only castable in bearform
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elunedra View Post
    intresting, i never read the latest updated version of it, i still though it was only castable in bearform
    Same.

    I can't really believe that's intended to work that way though.

    No Health is lost when the effect ends, we just return to the previous "maximum health". Since the "maximum health" that you get is the current health that you gain... I mean. You've, let's say, 200k / 500k hp(current / maximum health) and you use Might of Ursoc, you have now 350k / 650k (current / maximum health).

    Even if you drop bear form, the health will still be there... Just not the Maximum Health, this is incredibly useful as cat... Since you are, let's say, 50k /400k, you use might of ursoc, and you get like 170k / 520k... then you can just change back to Cat and you should have, "the current health gain", 170k, this is mainly useful for dailies and stuff...
    I'll verify this and then update accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielle View Post
    Same.

    I can't really believe that's intended to work that way though.
    Yeah, I thought/thing it's a bug too. I actually discovered it back in September but was afraid to say anything for fear it'd get patched. Now it's February so I figured might as well share it.

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