Moving beyond currency

[Moadar]

Just as an idle thought. With a lot of the problems in the world right now stemming from humans reliance on money for just about everything, do you think that we will ever move beyond this kind of system? I don't know what it would look like but its safe to assume it would be very government heavy. There would be no classes of people but there would also be no mansions or super expensive cars. Everyone would probably live in complexes where everything was the same. It would probably become super corrupt like a lot of communist countries became.

[Blastit]

That sucks, be quiet it sounds stupid

Keep it civil

[Gamdwelf]

That sucks, be quiet it sounds stupid

at first I thought this thread was going to be about how some countries are doing away with cash and moving to entirely card based systems, then after reading I agree with Blastit

[Puremallace]

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN unless there is a nuclear world war 3 plain and simple. We need to vaporize every corporation, rich fucker, and politician in the world for this to everrrrrrrrrrr happen. This is the same as dumb ass's still paying energy bills when there is a big round bright thing outside giving energy for free.

[Moadar]

That sucks, be quiet it sounds stupid

Yes working for goal instead of that sweet new car or computer does seem to take the piss out of it, but then I would hope work isn't as frivolous as it is now with just pandering to idiots and instead would be meaningful.

[Catta]

We have always used compensation for services. Now we just have it on paper so to speak.

[Deleted]

Yup, I do believe that Communism is the (inevitable) way of the future, and with it, and rejection of a monetary system.

[Gamdwelf]

Yup, I do believe that Communism is the (inevitable) way of the future, and with it, and rejection of a monetary system.

Good luck with that.

[Deleted]

Good luck with that.

Can't you see the current crisis of capitalism? Can't you see the people starving, and the people living in poverty? Do you really think this will last forever?

[zorkuus]

Can't you see the current crisis of capitalism? Can't you see the people starving, and the people living in poverty? Do you really think this will last forever?

Communism will never work as long as there's people involved. Show me one country which has applied the original principles of communism. You can't, they're all dictatorships where the wealth is shared by the elite few and not the people.

[Squaddles]

If there is ever a human evolution from currency, it'd be the same time as humans evolve away from materialization as well. Humans would have to evolve to a point where the enjoyment just performing a task is all it'd require for compensation. By this time many of the harder labor and manufacturing positions would have to be taken up by AI or robots or something, cause I can't imagine a majority of the population liking that sort of work (though I could be wrong).

Until then (if it ever happens), people just need to be educated.. IE: Not going into debt. Governments not being able allowed to have deficits and debt, and an unequal balance of currencies doesn't help either (one world currency to fix all problems?) /shrug

[chazus]

Can't you see the current crisis of capitalism? Can't you see the people starving, and the people living in poverty? Do you really think this will last forever?

This statement shows a gross lack of understanding of economics. The problem isn't "Capitalism". The problem is how it is implemented. There is no perfect system, but communism has proven time and time again to be a failure do to centralization.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Can't you see the current crisis of capitalism? Can't you see the people starving, and the people living in poverty? Do you really think this will last forever?

Neither communism or capitalism is working as of today. Both systems are failing. Communism looks good on paper, but when the inevitable factor of human greed comes into play, it is destroyed.

[Laize]

Just as an idle thought. With a lot of the problems in the world right now stemming from humans reliance on money for just about everything, do you think that we will ever move beyond this kind of system? I don't know what it would look like but its safe to assume it would be very government heavy. There would be no classes of people but there would also be no mansions or super expensive cars. Everyone would probably live in complexes where everything was the same. It would probably become super corrupt like a lot of communist countries became.

Without a unit of exchange there would be no way to pay for services and goods. We'd have to barter... which sets us back like 3000 years.

[slackjawsix]

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN unless there is a nuclear world war 3 plain and simple. We need to vaporize every corporation, rich fucker, and politician in the world for this to everrrrrrrrrrr happen. This is the same as dumb ass's still paying energy bills when there is a big round bright thing outside giving energy for free.

thats as dumb as people thinking its always a good idea to have solar power

[Laize]

Can't you see the current crisis of capitalism? Can't you see the people starving, and the people living in poverty? Do you really think this will last forever?

Capitalism is a system that winds up creating huge excesses of life necessities such as food and water.

Do you know how much food we waste every year and still turn a profit? That excess could easily feed the world's starving if there were a mechanism to get it to them.

Communism, on the other hand, provides absolutely no incentive for people to profit from their own intelligence or hard work. All of society would become a crab bucket that simply drags down the truly great to the level of the truly average.

[Deleted]

Communism will never work as long as there's people involved. Show me one country which has applied the original principles of communism. You can't, they're all dictatorships where the wealth is shared by the elite few and not the people.

The Paris Commune.

Communism, on the other hand, provides absolutely no incentive for people to profit from their own intelligence or hard work. All of society would become a crab bucket that simply drags down the truly great to the level of the truly average.

I obviously don't agree. Would you like to sit around all day doing nothing, or would you like to pursue the career of your dreams?
The truly great aren't great because they wanted monetary gain, the intelligent will still be intelligent, and society as a whole will appreciate the works others are doing more.

Neither communism or capitalism is working as of today. Both systems are failing. Communism looks good on paper, but when the inevitable factor of human greed comes into play, it is destroyed.

Please, let's not go into ethics, because ethics are subjective, and can't be debated. "Human greed" is a side effect of capitalism.
And trying to be a capitalist in a communist society is like trying to be a feudalist in a capitalist society, why would anyone WANT to work in a factory that you've forcibly aquired the means of production for?

This statement shows a gross lack of understanding of economics. The problem isn't "Capitalism". The problem is how it is implemented. There is no perfect system, but communism has proven time and time again to be a failure do to centralization.

This post shows a gross lack of understanding of basic Marxist dialectics.
State capitalism =/= Communism

[chazus]

This is the same as dumb ass's still paying energy bills when there is a big round bright thing outside giving energy for free.

So you're 100% off the power grid as you post this, then?

[DEATHETERNAL]

Go ahead and institute such a system. I will be the one leading the charge of patriots to tear it down and rebuild liberty.

[cherb]

Communism will never work as long as there's people involved. Show me one country which has applied the original principles of communism. You can't, they're all dictatorships where the wealth is shared by the elite few and not the people.

Then that is not communism, it's a dictatorship. There is a difference, and I think you mean as long as the wrong people are in charge it will never work.

---------- Post added 2012-09-12 at 08:14 PM ----------

Go ahead and institute such a system. I will be the one leading the charge of patriots to tear it down and rebuild liberty.

What we have right now is not liberty, we should work on tearing that down and rebuilding.