[Feral] The art of a Kitten: PvE guide

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With a 25k test (With my gear).

Enginnering/Tailoring:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 236827
DPS: Mean      = 237479 +/- 64
DPS: Range     = 205805 -- 298277
Damage: Median = 106,9M
Damage: Mean   = 106,9M +/- 656
Damage: Range  = 103,5M -- 107,5M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 120ms
Time: Range    = 6,0m -- 8,7m

Eng/BS

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 236643
DPS: Mean      = 237321 +/- 65
DPS: Range     = 201357 -- 293584
Damage: Median = 106,8M
Damage: Mean   = 106,9M +/- 774
Damage: Range  = 105,4M -- 113,5M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 121ms
Time: Range    = 6,1m -- 8,8m

Tailoring/BS

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 235228
DPS: Mean      = 235916 +/- 64
DPS: Range     = 203469 -- 288560
Damage: Median = 106,2M
Damage: Mean   = 106,2M +/- 698
Damage: Range  = 102,6M -- 106,7M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 120ms
Time: Range    = 6,1m -- 8,7m

Scribe/Enchanter:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 234706
DPS: Mean      = 235459 +/- 64
DPS: Range     = 205533 -- 286261
Damage: Median = 106,0M
Damage: Mean   = 106,0M +/- 600
Damage: Range  = 105,3M -- 108,6M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 120ms
Time: Range    = 6,2m -- 8,6m

SOLO PROF

Only engineer:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 233878
DPS: Mean      = 234594 +/- 64
DPS: Range     = 204439 -- 287508
Damage: Median = 105,6M
Damage: Mean   = 105,7M +/- 770
Damage: Range  = 102,9M -- 108,0M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 120ms
Time: Range    = 6,1m -- 8,6m

Only BS:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 232533
DPS: Mean      = 233195 +/- 64
DPS: Range     = 202219 -- 287352
Damage: Median = 105,0M
Damage: Mean   = 105,0M +/- 684
Damage: Range  = 104,2M -- 111,6M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 121ms
Time: Range    = 6,1m -- 8,7m

Only tailoring:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 232483
DPS: Mean      = 233157 +/- 63
DPS: Range     = 201249 -- 284904
Damage: Median = 105,0M
Damage: Mean   = 105,0M +/- 635
Damage: Range  = 103,9M -- 107,5M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 119ms
Time: Range    = 6,1m -- 8,7m

Only enchanting:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 232129
DPS: Mean      = 232841 +/- 63
DPS: Range     = 200748 -- 283370
Damage: Median = 104,9M
Damage: Mean   = 104,9M +/- 826
Damage: Range  = 94,30M -- 107,2M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 120ms
Time: Range    = 6,2m -- 8,7m

No prof:

Runs = 25000
DPS: Median    = 229569
DPS: Mean      = 230234 +/- 63
DPS: Range     = 201345 -- 278693
Damage: Median = 103,6M
Damage: Mean   = 103,7M +/- 606
Damage: Range  = 101,1M -- 104,3M
Time: Median   = 7,5m
Time: Mean     = 7,5m +/- 121ms
Time: Range    = 6,2m -- 8,6m

So to sum it up:

Engineering Tailoring and BS stands out when it comes to professions, Engineering by alot because of it's syncing with TF, Tailoring because of the proc which is quite awkward but dose line up with most oftenly every other TF, And BS because of the option to pick 640 secondary stats instead of 320 primary stats (Whice JC, Enchanting, Scribe, LW Alcy only provides 320 base agility)

[aggixx]

And BS because of the option to pick 640 secondary stats instead of 320 primary stats (Whice JC, Enchanting, Scribe, LW Alcy only provides 320 base agility)

Probably won't matter once 5.4 hits, the Rune nerf makes gemming secondary stats not really a thing. Haven't tried in full heroic double upgraded gear yet though.

[Themessiah]

Thank you for this. Currently I have jewelc rafting along with leather working. I get most of my gold from jewelcrafting, and so will only really be able to swap out one of the professions for now. So, I'm guessing leather working > Engineering. Even so, it is only something like a 3-4k dps upgrade.

[Aseyhe]

I'd think twice before dropping leatherworking. Drums of speed can be pretty valuable.

[Deleted]

As the poster above said, There is more to professions then just the stat bonus. Especially if you are like me struggling with gold only and only having one 90 toon :P

[Zer0xChan]

Talking about loot... Darkwood Spiritstaff TFHC woop woop.

Lucky, my guild has yet to see a heroic TF weapon for feral and that's with 15 horridon and 4 lei shen kills. Feels awful to be the only dps in the 25m raiding group without a TF weapon.

[FeralSynapse]

Talking about loot... Darkwood Spiritstaff TFHC woop woop.

"Growl Growl, Hiss, Growl" xd but grats nice to see you get some weapon luck for a change. I've yet to see even the normal/lfr version of that staff drop.

Lucky, my guild has yet to see a heroic TF weapon for feral and that's with 15 horridon and 4 lei shen kills. Feels awful to be the only dps in the 25m raiding group without a TF weapon.

I know that feeling, I've yet to see a heroic weapon drop...in my 25 as well-and we have a Brew Monk as the main tank so I always get the 2nd weapon anyway.

[Deleted]

Looking at the Cactus program, the video in the guide and I'm still confused about how to reforge for it. Is there no clear step by step guide?

[Elunedra]

why didnt you sim the dps of a leather worker ? skinning
also RoR was nerfed? or do you mean the change in RPPM, will it still be BiS after nerf?

[Deleted]

Lucky, my guild has yet to see a heroic TF weapon for feral and that's with 15 horridon and 4 lei shen kills. Feels awful to be the only dps in the 25m raiding group without a TF weapon.

Don't feel so sad. Our group has yet to see horridon even drop a staff. Killing him on at least normal mode since week one. We haven't had a Lei Shen weapon drop either (guardian won on coin roll).

[Tarazet]

Thank you for this. Currently I have jewelc rafting along with leather working. I get most of my gold from jewelcrafting, and so will only really be able to swap out one of the professions for now. So, I'm guessing leather working > Engineering. Even so, it is only something like a 3-4k dps upgrade.

I wouldn't even change it if you have it capped. I went from LW/Skinning to LW/Engi but not for min-maxing, it was because I wanted us to waste less time hearthing to repair and getting summoned back..

[Redpanda]

you need to be a slacker cat like me and get it just to get synapse springs then stop right there and the only other skill ups are from fire spirits and not learn the boy schematics

[Themessiah]

I wouldn't even change it if you have it capped. I went from LW/Skinning to LW/Engi but not for min-maxing, it was because I wanted us to waste less time hearthing to repair and getting summoned back..

That 3-4k dps upgrade may well put me above the lock in my guild on Lei Shen :P I'd pay the 15-20k or whatever it will cost just to watch him squirm lol!

[Derpcat]

Hey all, couple quick questions! I believe I read this here, but correct me if I'm wrong. I understand we clip a non-RoR Rip with a RoR Rip, right? And if so, is it worth clipping a RoR Rip with a RoR and TF Rip sub 25% for the snapshot + FB spamming? And what about clipping a RoR Rip with a TF+synapse springs one?

And I'm really sorry if this has been answered elsewhere (I'm pretty sure I read this here- I just wanted to confirm) but when RoR procs, we spam Rake for CPs, correct?

Anyway, thanks for reading, and I'm so sorry if these questions have been answered and I missed them!

[Fuzzyh]

Probably won't matter once 5.4 hits, the Rune nerf makes gemming secondary stats not really a thing. Haven't tried in full heroic double upgraded gear yet though.

What is the rune nerf ? i guess it will come, but i havnt seen anything yet...

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Hey all, couple quick questions! I believe I read this here, but correct me if I'm wrong. I understand we clip a non-RoR Rip with a RoR Rip, right? And if so, is it worth clipping a RoR Rip with a RoR and TF Rip sub 25% for the snapshot + FB spamming? And what about clipping a RoR Rip with a TF+synapse springs one?

And I'm really sorry if this has been answered elsewhere (I'm pretty sure I read this here- I just wanted to confirm) but when RoR procs, we spam Rake for CPs, correct?

Anyway, thanks for reading, and I'm so sorry if these questions have been answered and I missed them!

you will always clip a non ror rip with a ror one. No matter the % (maybee not sub 3% ofc). TF springs isnt enough to be better than RoR rip. however a fully stacked renetakis is better than ror rip. But around 20-30% try to plan around getting some really nasty rip up with pot DoC TF springs and either renetakis fully stacked or RoR or if lucky both.

When ror procs you spam rake for combo points, but you should always try to come out with a DoC buffed rake when RoR ends. if you dont play DoC it doesnt matter.

hope it answers your questions otherwise feel free to whisper me in game

[Deleted]

What he means with the RoR nerf is the rppm change in 5.4 that will make multiple trinkets not "double dip" from haste, but since it strikes almost everything and the trinkets in next patch has the same model of not "double diping" RoR is still BiS it's just that the uptime is going to be changed :-) But since the uptime is hurt it means that the overall value of the trinket is lower and that means that we will most likely not gem with secondary stat, if not in end tier. And that means that BS will be as strong as the other "regular" primary professions (except Tailoring slightly and engineering)

Changing subject a little bit!

I just want to highlight that when 5.4 around the corner the guide will require and update. That i will do under the upcoming days after patch is live and probably some before. However the point of me posting this is that i do want ideas and feedback from as many as possible, so i can make the guide as great as possible for the feral community. If you don't want to post here please don't be afraid to send me a PM about it :-)

[Themessiah]

Mentioning Catus on the front page could be a good idea, as could links to other websites that are of use to ferals, such as thefluiddruid. Moreover, for people starting out at a low item level, the rotation can be difficult merely due to a lack of crit and energy regen. Perhaps some advice for a more fluid rotation for those under an item level of, I don't know, 490(?), even if not optimal for dps could involve the prioritisation of crit and haste over mastery.

[Kojo]

I couldn't recommend haste at lower gear levels, the return on it is just so negligible, you won't get any real noticeable energy regen out of it. I think you'll just have to make a tighter priority, reduced use of fb above 25% and such.

[Zstr]

Perhaps some advice for a more fluid rotation for those under an item level of, I don't know, 490(?), even if not optimal for dps could involve the prioritisation of crit and haste over mastery.

u just telled urself as it not good for dps why u should prioritisatize them?

[Paloro]

u just telled urself as it not good for dps why u should prioritisatize them?

If I'm reading this correctly (which was very hard btw), he is suggesting that mastery is still the top stat sub 490 itlvl but to smooth out the rotation, more of an emphasis on crit (and maybe a little more haste) would be beneficial.

To me, mastery is just way to good of a stat to give up. 100% uptime on Rake and SR are really the key to beginners.