13 year old trialled as an adult over murder of 2 year old brother and sexual assault

[superstarz]

http://www.news.com.au/world/suck-it...-1226476316459


Hi,

This thread is about this kid who has all the hallmarks of a serial killer. No emotion over why he killed his little brother, and the sexual assault of a 5 year old boy.

Yes he has had a bad childhood, but does that excuse him for what he did?
I don't think so in my opinion.


There is also a facebook page going around claiming that he is innocent and people defending him saying that the prosecutors are making up these allegations. But the 13 year old boy has already admitted to killing his brother and he told them he doesnt know why he just felt angry.


What do you guys think?
Do you guys think he should be trialled as an adult?


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Suppor...236?ref=stream
This is the facebook page which his supporters put up claiming he is innocent.
I commented and asked them to explain to me how he is innocent, and they just deleted my comment and blocked me from commenting again.
Can somebody else ask them to explain
Why is he innocent when he admitted he did it?
And why do they want to let him free without even helping him its obvious his not well mentally.

[smelltheglove]

im not going to weigh in on whether or not he's guilty. it would only be a shit discussion imo. the thing you primarily brought up, should a 13 yr old be tried as an adult... EVER? i put the ever big, because this would be a worst case scenario, and if it doesnt meet the standard nothing will imo.

i dont know. i am honestly torn. on the one hand how can any 13 year old be unredeemable? that is basically what we are saying when we hand down adult sentence on someone this age. he can't legally vote, or make any legal decisions for himself, so is it fair to hold him to a standard we simultaneously say he is not old enough to make?

on the other hand... he might in fact be unredeemable. i dont want him anywhere near other children, or given the opportunity to strike again, in the name of "giving him a chance".

so i dont know

[Giants41]

This is really complex. He needs help obviously. I don't think he should get a life sentence... I mean his life hasn't even started yet. But his punishment should be severe, they can't take this lightly. He needs mental help.

[Mister K]

Deleted my comment too, obviously the Facebook page is just "troll" fest, no reasoning just a waste of time.

Anyway, the child needs help that is already established. Life Sentence isn't a great idea.

[Deleted]

he should be sentenced to death, better sooner then later after he consume gazillions of tax money.

I hope you are joking.

[superstarz]

no, I'm not, hes a young morderous mind, better to put him down now then wait and be responsible for other violence he may cause. you cant cure psychopath, simply cant and by his answers and profile you can tell that he is not of bright intellectual psychopats so he gonna resort physical violence much often.

That is true that you can't cure psychopaths.
When you look into their eyes you can see the evil, and that they don't have any emotion or compassion for the victims or victims families.

I reckon just lock up psychopaths in a jail together with no supervision and if they want to kill each other let them.

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Deleted my comment too, obviously the Facebook page is just "troll" fest, no reasoning just a waste of time.

Anyway, the child needs help that is already established. Life Sentence isn't a great idea.

what did you write?

[rogueMatthias]

Of course we're only young and aren't responsible.. why, I remember back when I was 13 and used to murder and sexually assault people...

oh wait, I didn't, because even by the time I was 10 I knew that was fucked up and wrong. Seriously, remember back when you were 13? Sure if he was a 2 year old you could say he had no clue what he was doing, but at 13 he would have known what his actions were.

IF the allegations are found guilty then there is something inherently wrong with that boy. SERIOUSLY wrong. It isn't an age thing, it's a "he's clearly got something wrong with him and should be put down to save others" thing.

no, I'm not, hes a young morderous mind, better to put him down now then wait and be responsible for other violence he may cause. you cant cure psychopath, simply cant and by his answers and profile you can tell that he is not of bright intellectual psychopats so he gonna resort physical violence much often.

I agree with you. If you looke at the murderers of James Bulger, who were both 10 when they tortured. assaulted and murdered him (he was aged 2), everyone said "they were young, didnt know what they were doing" etc. Since release Venables was sent straight back to jail for downloading violent child pornography.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

This kid is an open and shut case as far as serial killer profiling is concerned. I really doubt that someone so young and has already committed such atrocities will suddenly find redemption through rehabilitation.

"While there's no single pattern for serial killers, many share similar background traits. Common elements include an unstable family structure -- serial killers often lacked a father figure growing up. Many suffered physical and sexual abuse as children. Several also harbored violent fantasies while growing up and began to enact these fantasies on creatures weaker than themselves."

Discovery

[Tore]

I think at 13 your mind has developed enough to know that murder is among the worst things someone can do. The purpose of not trying minors as adults is the pretense that young people are naive and mentally developing. Murder committed by a young teenager is kind of cut and dry, though. A 7 year old can grasp the concept that killing is really really really really not good.

[Deleted]

I hope you are joking.

I hope he is not. I wish I would run a country, where I could send everyone who commits such heinous acts to exile. Out of sight, out of mind.

[Aleksej89]

I do not know all the factors and story details, but if a young mind is capable of such horrible things i am not sure he/she can ever be sane enough to lead a normal life and not be a threat to the community.

I personally think that "life sentences" are a complete nonsense (incurably deranged people are gonna be a tax-hog for their entire imprisoned lives?!), so if this child is not realistically curable by today's psychology/psychiatry there might not be an alternative but a death sentence...

[Creotor]

13 years old is not young enough to attribute it to "he's just a kid", that's for sure.

Looks like his mind is just messed up, either through nature or nurture, or both. In case of #2, I think there's a small chance he could still be treated. In case of something else, probably not.

[Zavri]

He should be put down like you would put down any rabid animal.

[superstarz]

Of course we're only young and aren't responsible.. why, I remember back when I was 13 and used to murder and sexually assault people...

oh wait, I didn't, because even by the time I was 10 I knew that was fucked up and wrong. Seriously, remember back when you were 13? Sure if he was a 2 year old you could say he had no clue what he was doing, but at 13 he would have known what his actions were.

IF the allegations are found guilty then there is something inherently wrong with that boy. SERIOUSLY wrong. It isn't an age thing, it's a "he's clearly got something wrong with him and should be put down to save others" thing.



I agree with you. If you looke at the murderers of James Bulger, who were both 10 when they tortured. assaulted and murdered him (he was aged 2), everyone said "they were young, didnt know what they were doing" etc. Since release Venables was sent straight back to jail for downloading violent child pornography.

Didn't the green river killer Gary Ridgeway have a normal childhood? And he turned out to kill all those women.

Also how about the serial killer BTK Dennis Rader,
Wasn't he married with a normal life, normal childhood, he was also a scout leader at the church and he turned out to be a sick psycopathic serial killer.

[Chaochamp]

That is true that you can't cure psychopaths.
When you look into their eyes you can see the evil, and that they don't have any emotion or compassion for the victims or victims families.

I reckon just lock up psychopaths in a jail together with no supervision and if they want to kill each other let them.[COLOR="red"]

The problem with locking them up in jail is that they leech off taxpayer money.

If executed immediately there would be no lifetime of jail funding.

[the1seth]

he should be sentenced to death, better sooner then later after he consume gazillions of tax money.

This ^ 10 char

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Tried as an adult? Over murder and sexual assault? Sounds good to me!

The trial part sounds good that is.... not the murder/sexual assault...

[HAcoreRD]

Wow. There's a facebook page defending him? But...he confessed...he...killed? What?

Wow, if only Eric and Lyle Menendez had this support.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

Of course we're only young and aren't responsible.. why, I remember back when I was 13 and used to murder and sexually assault people...

oh wait, I didn't, because even by the time I was 10 I knew that was fucked up and wrong. Seriously, remember back when you were 13? Sure if he was a 2 year old you could say he had no clue what he was doing, but at 13 he would have known what his actions were.

IF the allegations are found guilty then there is something inherently wrong with that boy. SERIOUSLY wrong. It isn't an age thing, it's a "he's clearly got something wrong with him and should be put down to save others" thing.



I agree with you. If you looke at the murderers of James Bulger, who were both 10 when they tortured. assaulted and murdered him (he was aged 2), everyone said "they were young, didnt know what they were doing" etc. Since release Venables was sent straight back to jail for downloading violent child pornography.

"I was X when I was Y so obviously everybody who is/was Y is/was X."

Also, people saying "Shoot him now so he doesn't leech taxpayer money." have no idea what the fuck they are talking about when it comes to the death penalty.

[s_bushido]

That's insane... Kid's life reads like some sort of sadistic Rube Goldberg machine. As tragic as his life is, I don't see it (or his age) giving him a pass on what he did.