Far left,Left,center, Right, Far Right

[Gothicshark]

(Edit: because people can't think for them selves.)


This Page contains two Charts!!

I was thinking about some things, and it dawned on me that people get so caught up on single issues they forget what its they believe in politically. So I felt now would be a good time to re-affirm what you believe by looking over a little chart. Which I will make using the tools on this Forum. List out what you Believe. (please keep it civil no disagreeing with peoples Beliefs.)


Chart 1: The misconception based on 1940s ideas

Far left	Left	center	Right	Far Right
"Communism"	Democrat	Moderate	Republican	"Nazi"

The second Chart: The reality

The Issue	Totalitarian System	Large Socialist System	Medium Government System	Small Government System	Almost No Government system
Often Mistaken For	Far left/Right	left/Right	center	left/Right	Far left/Right
Amount of social programs	100% Socialist Government (everything)	75% Strong social programs (Health care, SSI, Infrastructure, military, 100%Education, living support)	50% some social programs (SSI, Infrastructure, military)	25% few social programs (Infrastructure)	0%
Religion how much in the government	100% State and Religion are the same only one legal religion	75% State acknowledges one Religion free to choose	50% State founded on religion but doesn't mention it much	25% Government and religion are separate	0% No legal religions, (you can believe what you want)
Abortion	Government decides what is right for your body	only if truly needed	a family should choose	A woman gets to choose	100% legal you pay for it you get it
Doctor assisted suicide	Mandatory Population Control	Only in extreme cases	If they are brain dead	it's shouldn't be legal	if they prepay it sure
LGBT rights	People are married based on government choices for the good of the state	Government dictates what is a marriage	as long as it doesn't get to public	No difference	If you can pay for it you can have it
Drug use	if prescribed by a doctor you must take it	Only if prescribed	Is it safe?	as long as it doesn't disrupt things	If you can pay for it you can have it
Stem Cell research	The government controls your body no need since if you get sick you will be replaced.	Not if it harms people	does it help me than yes	if it helps everyone sure	If you can pay for it you can have it
Cloning Food	The government controls all food no need	Not if it harms people	does it help me than yes	if it helps everyone sure	If you can pay for it you can have it
War on Terror	The government will kill all disruptions foreign and domestic	The government will kill all disruptions foreign, not domestic	Only in retaliation or to free hostages	Only to free hostages	If you family pays for your freedom sure, but no government spending
Military Strength	The state is the military	A strong military to protect us	Border guards and fast response forces like the Marines	Border guards	Private police forces only
Taxes	99%	75%	50%	25%	1%
Labor Laws, minimum wage	everyone is paid the same wage, minus taxes	Worker deserve high pay	a minimum wage is fine as long as it doesn't cause business to leave.	No minimum but plenty of other worker protections	Your choice to work or not
Unions	The State is the Union	Strong unions	Some unions if not disruptive	2 or 3 unions in some industries are fine	Unions are illegal
Death penalty	Mandatory Population Control Yes	murderers, rapist, life prisoners	Yes for Murderers	Only in extreme situations	No it costs too much, the whole criminal justice system should go away
The reality of American Politics	"Communism", "Nazi", Iran	Democrat, Republican	Democrat, Republican	Democrat, Republican	Libertarians

The Concept of right and left comes from the separation of powers during the protestant movement.

The right was a Theocracy that said God gave power to the Crown and what they say is law. The left believed in the middle class and freedom of choice.

This is where the two sides originated, and slowly over time various groups have taken these terms and abused them. However America was founded by 'Left Leaning' Middle Class men. The Right in 1776 wanted British rule high taxes and a strong military.

When we get to the 1860's the lines between right and left started to blur. Because the main issues took a strange turn, States rights versus Nation Rights, Human Rights, ect.

The next strange twist was the rise of Socialism, People just lumped various groups as left or right to make sure they where polar opposites. Communism and Nazism are the same thing with 1 minor difference. Communism believes in no God, and the eventuality of no leadership. Nazism believes in One God and one Leader.

However during this time the definition of Right and left in the US became conservative is right, liberal is left. (not historically accurate but the table shows this)

But what is a Conservative? They are people who believe in the founding fathers and the ideas of liberty they had. (The table reflects this, if you pick right all the way down my table you would reflect the general consensus of the Founding Fathers. )

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Make your own test chart:

System	No Government - Anarchy	Limited Government -Constitutional USA 1776	Middle (modern US)	Large Government - Socialism	All Government -Totalitarian System
issue: Taxes, God, Drugs, ...	0%	1-25%	26-74%	75-99%	100%

[Spectral]

Wow, this almost has more things that are incorrect than correct.

[Pfeff]

I believe this is horribly overgeneralized and applies to no one...not to mention, just...wrong?

[Gothicshark]

Wow, this almost has more things that are incorrect than correct.

No it is actually very correct. Sad thing no one realities what the difference between right and left is anymore.

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[Spectral]

No it is actually very correct. Sad thing no one realities what the difference between right and left is anymore.

It categorizes the American left as being more anti-drug than the right. It's equally wrong on many other counts, and just generally incoherent. I don't think you really have any idea what you're talking about.

[Rocko9]

Wow, this almost has more things that are incorrect than correct.

+1, quite a few things backwards. I would not consider Libertarians far right, right is usually considered the conservative side of the spectrum.

[Derian]

How exactly do you have the far left and far right both listed as Nazis? That seems not right...

[Gothicshark]

+1, quite a few things backwards. I would not consider Libertarians far right, right is usually considered the conservative side of the spectrum.

Libertarians are far right, and considered Conservative.

[Haven]

I lol'd when I read the "communism" column. You can't be serious.

[Deleted]

How exactly do you have the far left and far right both listed as Nazis? That seems not right...

think of it as a circle instead of a line and the time is the positon left is 11 center 12 right 1 Nazis 6.30 stalinsim 5.30

[Riidii]

I checked "far right".

In spite of the horrendous "Nazi" tag. Shame on whoever did that.

[Rocko9]

This compass is more accurate - Libertarians are not full on Conservatives, they do not share the same views on things like drugs or abortion.

[Gothicshark]

think of it as a circle instead of a line and the time is the positon left is 11 center 12 right 1 Nazis 6.30 stalinsim 5.30

It is not a circle, Communism and Nazism are the same thing, Franco the guy who invented National Socialism was a Socialist who wanted to control the whole thing. The only reason we put them as right and left was the stance on the Catholic Church, Franco was a devout Catholic, and the communist leadership were anti-religion. So by supporting the church that made them Right, and Socialist where called left. However if you fallow the logic of socialism you will see it is a godless religion. And should be treated recognized as being the same thing as National Socialism.

Iran is a perfect example of a Communist Nation with only one legal religion.

So my table is correct in organization. However and this is important, if you believe Right means Church and State are one, than switch the labels at the top. If you think Right is conservative based on the founding fathers, my labels are correct.


Now for issues which sound off.

Drugs, the conservative point of view is if you can afford it you can buy it. The Progressive point of view is to regulate and control all things at the Federal level.

(I don't like using Liberal as a term, mainly because the root is liberty, and since the nation was founded Liberal it makes the meaning of the word a little off, since that would mean a true Liberal would also be a conservative, a person not wanting change, and people who want change are people who don't want the Liberty of the founding fathers, so 'progressive' which means both modern and change)

[Dupree]

This is the worst list I have ever seen.

Where the hell did you pull it from?

[Mnevis]

Progressives are Stalinists, right?

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/pol...e-parties.html

[Kivimetsan]

LMFAO ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!

"Private police forces only" - Libertarian. That is totally incorrect. We promote militias and reservists. This is only because standing armies generally assist the government in oppressing individuals and/or takes over (coup).

I love the 1% tax rate lol

Also Libertarian isn't apart of the political spectrum.
People need to realise the whole left vs. right is a conspiracy to divide and conquer... don't deny it either, its fact. Look at most countries, if not all. People only see Conservative (i.e. Liberal Party Australia, Republican USA, Conservatives UK vs. Left Democrat USA, Labor Aus, Labor UK).

This PARADIGM is all a charade. The only reason we have political parties is so the government can give us this false illusion that we're free and a have a choice. Political parties vote as parties, another word for this is a gang. You either have two choices, left vs. right... hell, absolute monarchy is more free than the current system, at least the kings advisers had there own agenda's, not some gang of thieves that support their leader above everything else, especially the people who elected them.

[namelessone]

Far Left - one legal religion is TOTAL BS. There is not a single far left government that did was not either militantly atheist or completely separated church and state.

[Gothicshark]

This compass is more accurate - Libertarians are not full on Conservatives, they do not share the same views on things like drugs or abortion.

That table is close

[Recursiv]

This is what really really gets me:

Drug use Far If you can pay for it you can have it

Republicans are the cause of the War on Drugs, and the continuous BS on marijuana. They completely go against their "As little government interference in our lives as possible" mantra.

[Gothicshark]

Far Left - one legal religion is TOTAL BS. There is not a single far left government that did was not either militantly atheist or completely separated church and state.

Your choice of how you want to thing of right and left.

If Right = Conservative than the Right is 'Libertarian' , If Right = God than 'Libertarians' are left


*The use of Libertarian is because they are the closest belief system to the idea of "If you can buy it you can have it, and zero Government."