Is 100 FPS excessive?

[BurningSkies2018]

I am posting here asking a general question about FPS. As of right now I'm running my old computer and waiting on my new parts to come in for my new PC and I'm pretty excited to say the least! I don't need the fastest most beefiest computer on the market- all I do is play around on wow occasionally, and browse the net and may check rift out again once I build this newer computer that handles it.

But anyways lets get back to the question. I look at the benchmarks typically comparing various processors and this and that. I know intel does exceptionally well for wow and I like them. However when I'm watching how much "FPS" most of these machines are getting it's pretty insane but past 30 FPS I've never really seen much of a difference?

How many FPS can the human eye really detect and how much is overkill? I don't need to run 120 FPS because well honestly things look as plain as day at 30-60 fps. Does it really matter if my computer runs wow at 150 fps when it doesn't look choppy and runs perfectly fine at 45 fps? I know it's a very complex question because the human eye I guess isn't measured IN fps, and it's more based on what we are actually watching before it starts to appeared blurred etc or what have you. If I can't see any difference between 45, and 150 fps - is there really a point in trying to achieve those goals?

Hopefully someone can help me make sense of it a bit more? Thanks a lot for any constructive posts!

[civetta]

that really depends, the average person probably wont notice above thirty where as someone who is always spending time online above 60 might be able to tell a slight difference i myself can tell the difference between 30 and 60 pretty easily but then again i spend way too much time behind this screen haha

[Reith]

You probably don't care about input latency, so yes, it is completely overkill. You'd only visually see the difference between 60 and 100 FPS with a 120hz (or higher) monitor.

[noteworthynerd]

The jury is still out on whether or not the human eye can detect higher frame rates. That being said, 100FPS is generally excessive because most people use monitors with a 60Hz refresh rate, which means the monitor can only show 60 FPS at most.

As for whether or not there is a difference between 30 and 60 FPS, I'd say yes, I certainly can tell a difference. Above that I'm not sure, my monitor is only 60Hz.

[Reith]

that really depends, the average person probably wont notice above thirty where as someone who is always spending time online above 60 might be able to tell a slight difference i myself can tell the difference between 30 and 60 pretty easily but then again i spend way too much time behind this screen haha

I'm quite sick of this myth going around. People have been able to see above 200 FPS. It's been tested in labs and everything. Please stop the misinformation. Thank you.

[Requital]

I am posting here asking a general question about FPS. As of right now I'm running my old computer and waiting on my new parts to come in for my new PC and I'm pretty excited to say the least! I don't need the fastest most beefiest computer on the market- all I do is play around on wow occasionally, and browse the net and may check rift out again once I build this newer computer that handles it.

But anyways lets get back to the question. I look at the benchmarks typically comparing various processors and this and that. I know intel does exceptionally well for wow and I like them. However when I'm watching how much "FPS" most of these machines are getting it's pretty insane but past 30 FPS I've never really seen much of a difference?

How many FPS can the human eye really detect and how much is overkill? I don't need to run 120 FPS because well honestly things look as plain as day at 30-60 fps. Does it really matter if my computer runs wow at 150 fps when it doesn't look choppy and runs perfectly fine at 45 fps? I know it's a very complex question because the human eye I guess isn't measured IN fps, and it's more based on what we are actually watching before it starts to appeared blurred etc or what have you. If I can't see any difference between 45, and 150 fps - is there really a point in trying to achieve those goals?

Hopefully someone can help me make sense of it a bit more? Thanks a lot for any constructive posts!

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frame...humans_see.htm

Seeing framewise is simply not the way how the eye\brain system works. It works with a continuous flow of light\information. Flashing is simply not the way how we see. So there are still questions. Maybe you need as much as 4000fps, maybe less, maybe more.

That being said you will notice the difference between 1 and all the way up to 60 very clearly. You will never run wow in a raid @ 100 FPS+ without using 4 way SLI/CF and I doubt you see that many then. People will say oh I get 150 FPS in wow and I'm sure they do looking at the ground in a small room with no textures. Smooth gaming can be had around 40-60 FPS in a raiding situation. But your CPU will provide a better overall game feel than your video card.

[Ethes]

For wow you don't really need that much FPS. That said, over time your pc will probably get a bit slower, new graphic updates, etc. It's not bad to aim for 100FPS now. Means you'll PC will last a while... wow-wise atleast!..

For other games FPS makes a lot more difference. In FPS-games for example FPS can help you strafejump further. But besides that, running smoothly = running smoothly..

[noteworthynerd]

The bickering about whether or not the human eye can detect high(er) FPS is the reason threads like this one get closed (seriously, I don't think I've ever seen a thread like this one stay open, in fact, I made one before I was a mod that got closed). As far as I'm aware: science hasn't been able to prove it one way or the other.

[civetta]

I'm quite sick of this myth going around. People have been able to see above 200 FPS. It's been tested in labs and everything. Please stop the misinformation. Thank you.

that is why i said AVERAGE wont notice a big difference, seeing above that sure will they notice a huge difference no... thank you

[Zyzzyx]

that is why i said AVERAGE wont notice a big difference, seeing above that sure will they notice a huge difference no... thank you

Pretty much, this.

It's basically like wine tasting or fancy bottled water. Lot of people will claim to be able to tell this or that, but without numbers to back it up they won't be able to even get in the ballpark. 100 is more than ever necessary if that's the average.

[Ulfhedinn]

Many people, myself included, feel that to many FPS can actually cause issues but that is more for live action movies. Very high frame rates cause movies to look like real life which is really weird to me... I honestly can't stand high refresh rate TV/monitors.

I wouldn't let my computer run over 60 to 80 FPS. Anything over that really is just overkill and extra work (see heat) on your computer is not really good for it.

Also keep in mind that over time looking at something nicer will cause the lessor thing to look worse. When first switching from VHS to DVD it was hard to notice a difference but now it is obvious within a second or two. It is even worse when you compare DVD and Bluray.

[DeltrusDisc]

Pretty much, this.

It's basically like wine tasting or fancy bottled water. Lot of people will claim to be able to tell this or that, but without numbers to back it up they won't be able to even get in the ballpark. 100 is more than ever necessary if that's the average.

Zyzzyx? Guildie from Terrible Idea in Rift? :O

Btw on-topic... 100 FPS is not excessive. :3

[BurningSkies2018]

Wow thanks a lot for all info! Don't want it to turn into a flame war, but there are some constructive posts. Thanks a lot everyone for making it a bit more easier to understand!

[Deleted]

I'm quite sick of this myth going around. People have been able to see above 200 FPS. It's been tested in labs and everything. Please stop the misinformation. Thank you.

This is complete nonsense - being able to see 200fps would mean we could see things with a frequency up to 200hz. Heck if you take an alternate current generator and connect two light bulbs to demonstrate the switching direction of the flow you wouldn't even see a difference with your eyes - assuming we have absolute zero delay in this case. Our AC here in Europe has 50hz, US is at 60hz iirc. Let's take Europe in that case: 50hz means you have 50 direction switches of the flow in one second or one switch per 20ms - you cannot see this with your eyes, both lamps would glow at the same time for our mind even if we assume we have zero delay.

You don't even see the wing clap of a humming bird. Just saying.

[BurningSkies2018]

Zyzzyx? Guildie from Terrible Idea in Rift? :O

Btw on-topic... 100 FPS is not excessive. :3

Hah, thank you Del. I wasn't sure how to word a topic, just mostly getting a general idea of what folks thoughts were on FPS and what they noticed, for lack of a better way to put it.

[Fojos]

You're better off limiting your FPS to something like 60. More FPS = more strain on the graphic card (+ higher power consumption) = reduced lifetime (not a huge difference, but it is a difference).

[DeltrusDisc]

Hah, thank you Del. I wasn't sure how to word a topic, just mostly getting a general idea of what folks thoughts were on FPS and what they noticed, for lack of a better way to put it.

Honestly if you get a 120Hz monitor and can push out average 100fps, then do it. I think Rift would look GREAT, I personally wish I could push more fps and had a 120Hz monitor.

[Deleted]

Quote taken from wikianswers (Not the most reliable source): The human eye processes about 20 frames per second, but can go as high as 60 when in panic.

So I'm constantly in panic mode during gameplay

[BurningSkies2018]

Honestly if you get a 120Hz monitor and can push out average 100fps, then do it. I think Rift would look GREAT, I personally wish I could push more fps and had a 120Hz monitor.

Yeah, I like rift, just this old dual core /gtx 275 doesn't cut it. I mean out in the world it's fine but when world bosses come down, 5-10 fps is all I am going to get even with vid settings cranked way down.

[Codyak]

60Hz monitor can only show 60FPS max, 120HZ can do 120FPS. Anything over that is wasted on excessive graphics card strain and can cause screen tearing if your eyes pick up that sort of thing (hence the reason VSync exists).