Aurora shootings: Survivors sue owners over security

[Deleted]

as the title says http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19684831
Do you think its abit unfair to sue the company over security? personaly I think it not there fault some guy went crazy and shot the place up.
how much do you think it would cost to have enough security to stop what happened that could never happen again

[Reyzzz]

It probably won't happen ever again, in the same location at least.

[Dacien]

I think an act of goodwill on the part of Cinemark is in order. I think that's best for everyone. They got shot up in your theater and you have a lot of money, break bread.

That's what I would do.

Of course, it also depends how much they're asking.

[Dacien]

Oh absolutely. It would just be ideal. The likely scenario seems that they'll fight it, but who knows? They'd probably win.

[Imhotep]

This is idiotic, who would seriously even consider people coming to shoot up your clientelle as a "security problem". It happens rarely and you really can't do fuck all about it.

[Deleted]

It was a gun-free zone, wtf did they think was protecting them?

[Deleted]

It's not about justice
It's about getting dem money

Or how did it go

[vizzle]

My family owns a restaurant, and about a few months ago some drunk guy rushed in and jumped on one of the customers. He was on him for at least 10 seconds before anyone pulled him off, and then the guy was held until the cops showed up. They had some sort of feud going on. But the guy who was beaten up decided to take legal action against us, the restaurant, instead of the guy who beat him up. Right, because we have any control over someone who runs in and beats you up. (It didn't make it to court).

James Holmes was seated in the theater, then he went through the emergency exit to get his weapons. When a theater probably plays movies all day long, seven days a week, I don't think they're going to expect something like that to happen. What's the theater supposed to do? Lock the emergency exit? Hire a guy full-time to sit by the exit? No one expected it to happen.

The theater has no obligation to pay these people. Sick bastards, cashing in on a tragedy like this.

[Deleted]

Seems a bit odd. I could understand the families of the dead having some grievance, and although I'm sure the survivors went through a horrible ordeal, holding a company responsible for a madman breaking into their building and shooting people is just a massacre of logic.

In my eyes it reduces any and all sympathy I had for them. These people should be thanking their lucky stars that they made it out of there, not looking for some easy money out of it. What next? Suing the gunman's landlord because he shouldn't have allowed him to live in an area so close to them? Suing the guy's mother for giving birth to someone who may later shoot at them? It's shameful.

[Gorehowl]

holding a company responsible for a madman breaking into their building and shooting people is just a massacre

im sure that wasnt intended but lol

anyways, yeah they probably realized " hey we can make money from this if we make up some random garbage, lets do it"

[Deleted]

....what next sue the government because they did let a crime happen on a public (government own) street.... Why cant they have a requirements that if you sue you must have common sense....

[Fuzzzie]

....what next sue the government because they did let a crime happen on a public (government own) street.... Why cant they have a requirements that if you sue you must have common sense....

You can sue, it doesn't mean you'll win. I doubt that the courts will find the theatre at fault. There is no precedent for theatres needed to provide armed security or metal detectors.

[Deadvolcanoes]

It's a tough call. I do believe that the theater has some level of responsibility for the safety and security of their patrons.

The major flaw is the fact that Holmes was able to prop open that exit door and re-enter the facility after several minutes. It was a midnight premier of a highly anticipated movie. Security should have been tight.

That being said, it is extremely difficult to prevent something like this from occurring, given the freedoms we have. I need more information, but I'm guessing the theater will try to settle.

[dr2022]

Cause cinema security has the power to stop a nut job with assault rifles, all I see is a pathetic attempt to get money.

[Themius]

Yeh , it just saddens me is all, that people in the face of tragedy always seem to want to *cash in*. Makes me a very cynical person as a whole now because of it

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I also find their reasoning absolutely idiotic. They claim they expected a large number of patrons, but they had no security officers present. I mean, seriously? What is a Security Officer supposed to do? Search everyone on the door? Carry a gun and scare the children? Really?
Also, let's say they *had* a security guard or two on, what are they supposed to do when the guy opens up with a firearm? Have a shootout in the cinema? Really?

The whole *case* is absolutely moronic to my mind. Gah, just gets me angry the more I think about it.

You do realize those people probably have some hefty medical bills about now right that aren't fully covered. Considering the ages of some of the audience members whose age range is most likely to be without insurance, it's enough to put them 100k+ in debt.


The gun man bought a ticket, and propped a door open. When I've been in theaters there were 2 people that would walk around AND CHECK THE DOORS to make sure they weren't open and people weren't sneaking in.

[PaladinBash]

I don't think having security there is going to deter a man whose goal is to murder as many people as possible with automatic weapons in a packed cinema. Like...at all. Ever.

[Themius]

Cause cinema security has the power to stop a nut job with assault rifles, all I see is a pathetic attempt to get money.

What about medical bills? SOME victims received free care, but what about the rest?

Those people will be anguished for some time, and likely are suffering, they will never be the same again, and in part because the cinema had no one checking the doors, making sure they're closed. Like they should. If the door was locked, the shooting could have gone a different way.

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I don't think having security there is going to deter a man whose goal is to murder as many people as possible with automatic weapons in a packed cinema. Like...at all. Ever.

Would it have helped though? Probably.

[Deleted]

Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone for anything, especially in America. It however doesn't mean that they ever had a chance of winning. I would imagine the case being thrown very fast but I don't really know the procedure in the US well enough to make an educated comment.

[Fitzgerald77]

This is so fucking idiotic it makes my head hurt. I bet that if there even was some sort of security at the theater many people would have still lost their lives. The guy had assault weapons and tear gas for crying out loud! I highly doubt having a security guard stationed inside the theater where the movie was being watched would have made little to no difference. What exactly are theaters supposed to do? Have a guard stationed at every single exit in the entire theater? This is just a sad attempt by morons that want to make a quick buck from a horrendous tragedy.

[Hiricine]

Well I don't know cinemark's policy, but I can comment on two things.

First the emergency exit didn't have an alarm on it. This is mostly related to the fact that many people just leave the movie through them and the theater doesn't want to reset them every time, or have the audience bolt out of a movie. Holmes couldn't have possibly gotten into the theater with nearly as many guns as he had if he tried going through the front.

Second-- I don't think Cinemark bothered to have a weapons policy until now, and if I'm not mistaken you can't concealed carry in Colorado, but anyone who bans guns ultimately bears the responsibility for your safety in these situations.