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    Quote Originally Posted by soterya View Post
    I will be main tanking MSV 10 next week with my guild. I have read up on the fights but, is there any tricks to know as a pally tank. my ilvl is 476ish mostly lfr drops and VP stuff.

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    Not really much I can say lol, if you've done your research on the fights it should all just come naturally.
    With your ilvl you should cruise through normals without any issues whatsoever.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    Funnily enough that's what we were wiping to, hah.

    We just brute forced through it, popped a heck of a lot of cooldowns running over, health stones, double rallying etc etc.
    As you said, the second one is easy - the first one is pretty tough on the healers.
    3healing would probably lead to a very early enrage, and I would not advise it.

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    Hellooooooooooooo

    Vizier was 1tank 3heal. We could've 2healed, but decided against it
    Blade Lord was 2tank 2heal.
    Garalon was 2tank 2heal

    Setup:
    Prot Warrior
    Prot Paladin(For Blade lord/Gara)
    Resto Druid(Boomkin for Gara, not in for Blade lord)
    Mistweaver Monk
    Ele Shaman(Not in for Gara)
    Holy Pally
    Fury Warrior
    Affli Lock
    Fire Mage
    BM Hunter
    Shadow Priest

    We used a rotation of 4, 25-25-20-20

    Thanks for the replies but we already killed them LOL. Didn't have time to check earlier.
    We felt that Vizier was much more comfortable with three healers for us to deal with massive aoe dmg, and we just left three healers in for Blade lord also which we killed within few pulls (defo gonna 2 man heal it next week ).

    Did few pulls on Garalon itself , and we were switching exactly like you wrote (figured less stacks using 4 ppl in rotation wouldn't work out well ).
    We will see tomorrow if we can beat the enrage, so far it looks promising.
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    If you're using 4 people in the rotation you can go as low as 20 stacks before each switch and your first pheromone taker will lose his 2min debuff in time to take the pheromones off of your fourth. We started with 4 people swapping at 15 stacks for a 2 min rotation until we realised that the debuff starts on the first switch, not on the pull and we ended up getting our kill using 2 ranged dps and the healers swapping the debuff around at 20 stacks each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    Funnily enough that's what we were wiping to, hah.

    We just brute forced through it, popped a heck of a lot of cooldowns running over, health stones, double rallying etc etc.
    As you said, the second one is easy - the first one is pretty tough on the healers.
    3healing would probably lead to a very early enrage, and I would not advise it.

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    Hellooooooooooooo

    Vizier was 1tank 3heal. We could've 2healed, but decided against it
    Blade Lord was 2tank 2heal.
    Garalon was 2tank 2heal

    Setup:
    Prot Warrior
    Prot Paladin(For Blade lord/Gara)
    Resto Druid(Boomkin for Gara, not in for Blade lord)
    Mistweaver Monk
    Ele Shaman(Not in for Gara)
    Holy Pally
    Fury Warrior
    Affli Lock
    Fire Mage
    BM Hunter
    Shadow Priest

    We used a rotation of 4, 25-25-20-20
    We killed the first 2 bosses in HoF really easy, was actually kinda surprised tbh. 2 healed both fights even.

    Then we went back to MVP and finally nailed Heroic Gara'jal after 80 attempts lol. Anyways, here's the thing.

    We can't really decided, whether to go for Heroic Elegon or normal Garalon next. From what we've seen from streams and heard from US players, Garalon seems to be really nasty in terms of dmg to the raid. And seeing it's a whole new encounter, might it be worth it going for Heroic Elegon in stead?

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    Well yea give or take few , I'd say around 20 is the way to go.
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    tooting my own horn here - but using these you can see that in 25m 20 stacks is a perfectly reasonable amount of average raid damage. 15 stacks is slightly less average damage but requires more kiters. I love fights that make you balance mechanics

    What I'm curious about is how a healer kiting in 10m will work due to range issues.

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    Heroic Elegon , strategy wise isn't much different compared to normal mode. Depends how your raid in general is performing on that fight , you might as well go for him.

    Garalon as well , in terms of mechanics, wasn't really complicated.
    Serbían <The Machine> , Draenor EU 13/13 HM World #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    We can't really decided, whether to go for Heroic Elegon or normal Garalon next.
    H Elegon gives better loot, N Garalon is required for gating into terrace, its kind of a tossup. that said, its being reported that garalon's enrage was hotfix increased by 1 minute.. so go garalon ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisdkramer View Post
    tooting my own horn here - but using these you can see that in 25m 20 stacks is a perfectly reasonable amount of average raid damage. 15 stacks is slightly less average damage but requires more kiters. I love fights that make you balance mechanics

    What I'm curious about is how a healer kiting in 10m will work due to range issues.
    It's not only more kiters it' more crashes as well mate. So it's trade of : more raid wide dmg via higher debuff stacks compared to Crash dmg.

    Our resto druid did just fine kiting vise , he just switched to healing himself and tanks for when he's kiting and other healer covered the rest.
    We still didn't kill it , didn't have to many pulls on it since we did some HM's in MsV for extra gear , but so far it's looking good. Our best attempts were ~40% with timer on enrage being really edgy... will replace one dps'r tomorrow and hopefully get us a kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serb View Post
    Heroic Elegon , strategy wise isn't much different compared to normal mode. Depends how your raid in general is performing on that fight , you might as well go for him.

    Garalon as well , in terms of mechanics, wasn't really complicated.
    Well if the mechanics aren't hard, I wonder why 6/6 Heroic guilds spend hours wiping on Normal Garalon. Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, it's just that from what we've seen and heard so far, Garalon seems to be a lot harder than Normal mode bosses usually are.

    I know that HoF is the gating to Terrace but there's still time and I don't think we'd be going into Terrace straight away anyways. Reason being, that we'd probably prefer nailing some more Heroic kills first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serb View Post
    Thanks for the replies but we already killed them LOL. Didn't have time to check earlier.
    We felt that Vizier was much more comfortable with three healers for us to deal with massive aoe dmg, and we just left three healers in for Blade lord also which we killed within few pulls (defo gonna 2 man heal it next week ).

    Did few pulls on Garalon itself , and we were switching exactly like you wrote (figured less stacks using 4 ppl in rotation wouldn't work out well ).
    We will see tomorrow if we can beat the enrage, so far it looks promising.
    Garalon got nerfed, 7 minute enrage now.

    It will be slaughtered by every guild and their mothers :P

    Still feels good to beat it by 23 seconds pre nerf!!!

    edit: pre nerf not post nerf. derp derp
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    How did you do Heroic Will of the Emperor Raxxed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    Garalon got nerfed, 7 minute enrage now.

    It will be slaughtered by every guild and their mothers :P
    Is this for 10 or 25 man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Well if the mechanics aren't hard, I wonder why 6/6 Heroic guilds spend hours wiping on Normal Garalon. Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, it's just that from what we've seen and heard so far, Garalon seems to be a lot harder than Normal mode bosses usually are.

    I know that HoF is the gating to Terrace but there's still time and I don't think we'd be going into Terrace straight away anyways. Reason being, that we'd probably prefer nailing some more Heroic kills first.
    I'd say H MSV > HoF

    We're just doing HoF to gear some of the newer members before we clear through H MSV.

    Should finish it off tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Is this for 10 or 25 man?
    Both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegiisan View Post
    How did you do Heroic Will of the Emperor Raxxed?
    I didn't O_o where did I say that I did?
    I'm 4/6H - did I make a typo somewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegiisan View Post
    How did you do Heroic Will of the Emperor Raxxed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    I'd say H MSV > HoF

    We're just doing HoF to gear some of the newer members before we clear through H MSV.

    Should finish it off tonight

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    Both!

    /10chars
    Hmm okay. That's what we're leaning towards ourselves as well. But about the enrage timer on Garalon, do you know what it is for 10 man?

    Edit: I didn't see your reply to the enrage timer, until after I posted. But thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Hmm okay. That's what we're leaning towards ourselves as well. But about the enrage timer on Garalon, do you know what it is for 10 man?

    Edit: I didn't see your reply to the enrage timer, until after I posted. But thank you
    7 Minutes for garalon now on both sizes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Well if the mechanics aren't hard, I wonder why 6/6 Heroic guilds spend hours wiping on Normal Garalon. Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, it's just that from what we've seen and heard so far, Garalon seems to be a lot harder than Normal mode bosses usually are.

    I know that HoF is the gating to Terrace but there's still time and I don't think we'd be going into Terrace straight away anyways. Reason being, that we'd probably prefer nailing some more Heroic kills first.
    Mechanics aren't hard , it was massive raid wide dmg that you need to deal with , while being able to beat the enrage timer...

    By reducing amount of healers to do so , ye it was very hard to heal trough. Mechanics vise -it's simple as the fight can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serb View Post
    Mechanics aren't hard , it was massive raid wide dmg that you need to deal with , while being able to beat the enrage timer...

    By reducing amount of healers to do so , ye it was very hard to heal trough. Mechanics vise -it's simple as the fight can be.
    Ah okay. Hmm, have you killed Heroic Elegon? I'm asking cause I'm interested in the difference in difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Ah okay. Hmm, have you killed Heroic Elegon? I'm asking cause I'm interested in the difference in difficulty.
    Garalon post 7min nerf is a bajillion times easier than H Elegon
    Even pre nerf, I would say about the same difficulty
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