If you wanted crafting professions that were self-sufficient and independent, that hasn't been the design intent with WoW professions since, well, ever. You'll need to get mats via another profession or three. Or the Auction House. Either way.
You're going to need to buy gems and enchants for the gear you're crafting, too. The entire system is designed so that one character has no chance whatsoever of being self-sufficient. Or even a main with an alt. If you've got a suite of alts, sure, but then you wouldn't have an issue with this in the first place, since you'd have an Alchemist alt who'd be running these transmutes for you.
If anything this adds more value, now the mining profession feeds: Blacksmithing, Jewelcrafting, Engineering, and Alchemy.
You guys should learn what the auction house is. You buy your living steel, and then voila, you have your mats without the need for another profession.
I know simple economics is hard for many players, but come on!
Does McDonald's go out and raise cattle, then slaughter them on their own to make burgers? No, they buy their mats.
I got a feeling Alc is gonna be a great money maker with 3 professions needing Living Steel and 1 profession making it. Time to roll an alcy!
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Nothing new though; Truegold was the same, and wasn't Titanium? (My memory isn't what it used to be ).
If they really wanted to change it though, they could give it to mining, but add like, 5 of the Spirit of Harmony things for each bar, AND have a cooldown. I really don't see what the problem is though...
I agree, it sucks. Thankfully I have an alchemist alt for such things.
1) Farm 5 stacks of ghost iron ore*. If that takes you much over 15 minutes you are doing it wrong.
2) Convert that to ore or bars and sell them on the AH.
3) Buy living steel.
Currently ore is going for about 240G/stack and living steel is just under 1000G on my server. This is so, so, so hard, I don't know how a player could ever do it. It's almost as if instead of coming here and whining, they could have gone out farming and gotten the living steel they needed.
* I said 5 stacks because of the AH cut and to give you a bit of coverage but even if it's 6, it's the same.
the reason they do this is it convinces you at some point to level another toon and profession up
means you're playing longer
The concept still works even if you have a small budget. It's called small business.
If the mats cost more than the living steel (and on my realm the mats are more expensive), then you sell the mats, and with your profit buy living steel. Right now Blacksmiths should be making a good return on the belt buckles. For the past week, I've been buying living steel for about 1k each, and selling the belt buckle for 2k to 2.5k. That's 1500 free gold for every living steel I buy off the AH, and I couldn't have done it without my blacksmith.
The problem here isn't that living steel comes from Alchemy, the problem is that some people just aren't very good at making gold, or have a grasp of simple economics. And when you really think about it, why should people? It's only a video game!
Last edited by ablib; 2012-10-06 at 12:43 AM.
Saw one being sold for 450g on my server today. Can't be that bad anymore.
Nothing worth having comes easy. That's why hard content is worth doing, and easy content is a waste of time.
And again; the profession system is deliberately set up to be unfriendly to single characters. It promotes auction house/trading activity. Yes, not many Alchemists are also Miners. This means they're playing alts, or buying stuff from someone else. This is all good for the economy.
I think you seriously underestimate the amount of money most people have, and overestimate the amount they're willing to pay. I entered WotLK with something like 8k to my name. In Cata, a little over 30k. For MoP, I had roughly 85k. And I am not a big moneymaker. I farm a little here or there, but most of my stuff is roughly self-maintaining. I have multiple friends whose banks are in the hundreds of thousands. A couple who've hit the gold cap on their main. There is a TON of money out there, and it's dead easy to make; if I wanted to be wealthier, I could be, I just can't be arsed to.McDonalds has a much larger budget than some of us. Buying the living steel is going to make everything more expensive, not to mention the harmony we have to sink into the high level stuff, and at those prices, who's going to buy our armor?? nobody that's who. Alchemy ends up making a killing, my BS sits there and is good for two extra gem slots in my armor. thanks blizz.
We have base material: Ore.
Prospected to intermediary material: Gem
Cut to end product: Cut Gem.
Which is a synergy between a gathering and a crafting proffesion (excluding the mounts).
Alchemists have the herbs which they then make into potions/flasks. Again a gathering and crafting proffesion. (ignoring the spirits of harmony as this is something that any character can farm).
Yet blacksmiths are reliant on a gathering and 2 crafting proffesions. The living steel transmutes are not needed by alchemists in the making of potions and flasks and is just a material. It would be like each alchemist flask requiring a cut gem of suitable stats.
There is nothing wrong with Interdependence. - It's an MMO for a reason, you have to cooperate with fellow players.
You might a swell just go play a single player RPG then.