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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Bombs View Post
    The reason I use RF first without BW is because the added haste to my pet gives it more Frenzy stacks so that it does more damage during BW.
    This is where I stopped reading.


    You do realized that rapid fire is 15 seconds. So you mean to tell me, your gonna pre pot, pop rapid fire to so call get "frezy stacks" and pop Bestial Wrath afterwards when pre pot has 5 second left. God damn your pro, why didn't I think of this sooner! In addition to your oh so awesome opening rotation, since rapid fire gives "your pet haste", it would still be optimal to use BW during rapid fire so he can attack faster during BW and do more damage!

    Plz stop posting, your confusing yourself and the community of hunters that read these forums
    Last edited by danightryder; 2012-10-07 at 10:39 PM.
    I want to have a child and use it as a pulling tool in dungeons.

  2. #22
    So I personally apply HM, MD to tank and of course Pre-Pot
    While tank is moving in I SS
    Glaive
    BW w/Rabid
    KC
    Lynx
    Dire Beast
    Stampede
    RF/Readiness
    (I might throw in a Cobra Shot to keep SS up)
    BW
    KC
    Direbeast
    Lynx
    Glaive

    I can peak and burst 100k DPS

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ination/simple as refrence

  3. #23
    I will do some tests this week and provide all information here in screenshots. However I have 3 exams this week and probably cannot get to it by Wednesday.

    I, myself, am now curious as to what the best opening is. I will do the testing and post my results here.

    Quote Originally Posted by danightryder View Post
    This is where I stopped reading.


    You do realized that rapid fire is 15 seconds. So you mean to tell me, your gonna pre pot, pop rapid fire to so call get "frezy stacks" and pop Bestial Wrath afterwards when pre pot has 5 second left. God damn your pro, why didn't I think of this sooner! In addition to your oh so awesome opening rotation, since rapid fire gives "your pet haste", it would still be optimal to use BW during rapid fire so he can attack faster during BW and do more damage!

    Plz stop posting, your confusing yourself and the community of hunters that read these forums
    Bad wording on my part.
    Last edited by Bombs; 2012-10-07 at 10:49 PM.

  4. #24
    it's quite simple, there need not be a huge debate on it.

    You use your highest damage per global skills in the time window where you can fit the most amount of cooldowns in.

    So for example you have lynx rush and glaive toss specced as BM.

    You'll want to have them both done in the window where potion, BW, rabid, BL, any on-use trinkets are up for maximum benefit.

    stampede is biggest damage per global for BM so that goes first
    then lynx rush
    then kill command
    then glaive toss.

    then its obvious to use readiness and lynx rush again within the cooldowns
    then KC
    then glaive toss

    Just tested now on raid dummy outside and peaked at 96k dps with no potion

    EDIT: forgot DB but my BM spec is pvp so you probably just shove DB before glaive toss and nothing else changes. And yes you can have 2 DBs up at once

    TL;DR

    Mark, prepot
    BW, RF, Trinkets
    Stampede
    Lynx rush
    DB
    glaive toss
    KC
    Readiness
    DB(lynx rush still going)
    glaive toss
    lynx rush
    KC
    SrS
    BW
    KC
    ASASASASAS
    KC
    ASASASAS
    Normal rotation.

    Yes you will focus cap at start, no serpent sting is not worth the 20k damage applying it before anything else.
    Last edited by Illana; 2012-10-07 at 11:21 PM.

  5. #25
    u can get 3 kc's off in the first bw to squeeze out a bit more dps
    I want to have a child and use it as a pulling tool in dungeons.

  6. #26
    possibly, but my flashing steel is only 15 seconds long, if i waited another KC before readiness for lynx i'd lose 4.3k agility on the next rush.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    it's quite simple, there need not be a huge debate on it.

    You use your highest damage per global skills in the time window where you can fit the most amount of cooldowns in.

    So for example you have lynx rush and glaive toss specced as BM.

    You'll want to have them both done in the window where potion, BW, rabid, BL, any on-use trinkets are up for maximum benefit.

    stampede is biggest damage per global for BM so that goes first
    then lynx rush
    then kill command
    then glaive toss.

    then its obvious to use readiness and lynx rush again within the cooldowns
    then KC
    then glaive toss

    Just tested now on raid dummy outside and peaked at 96k dps with no potion

    EDIT: forgot DB but my BM spec is pvp so you probably just shove DB before glaive toss and nothing else changes. And yes you can have 2 DBs up at once

    TL;DR

    Mark, prepot
    BW, RF, Trinkets
    Stampede
    Lynx rush
    DB
    glaive toss
    KC
    Readiness
    DB(lynx rush still going)
    glaive toss
    lynx rush
    KC
    SrS
    BW
    KC
    ASASASASAS
    KC
    ASASASAS
    Normal rotation.

    Yes you will focus cap at start, no serpent sting is not worth the 20k damage applying it before anything else.
    You're implying that the pet is already at the target. I SS because depending how far the boss is it takes about a GCD for the pet to reach the target.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Juvination View Post
    You're implying that the pet is already at the target. I SS because depending how far the boss is it takes about a GCD for the pet to reach the target.

    you know you can send pet in without shooting right

  9. #29
    if u macro that trinket with BW and kill command together, use lynx rush right after, u can get all of them with with both direbeast and stamede up in that 15 seconds
    I want to have a child and use it as a pulling tool in dungeons.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    you know you can send pet in without shooting right
    Yes but, why wouldn't you at least put a shot behind it. MD is there for a reason.

  11. #31
    hmm so....

    after cds popped:

    KC
    stampede
    lynx
    DB
    glaive
    AS
    AS
    KC+readiness
    Lynx
    DB
    glaive+BW
    KC

    ill give it a try now

    ---------- Post added 2012-10-08 at 12:38 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Juvination View Post
    Yes but, why wouldn't you at least put a shot behind it. MD is there for a reason.
    cause then you pull the boss before everyone is ready -_-?

    Countdown:

    5
    4
    3
    2- send pet
    1
    start

    it's simple right?

  12. #32
    Yep...

    KC + Readiness + KC
    I want to have a child and use it as a pulling tool in dungeons.

  13. #33
    well either way it's going to be within the 15 second window

    I keep messing it up though -_-, 5min cd to retry suxx.

    Best so far 107k

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    hmm so....

    after cds popped:

    KC
    stampede
    lynx
    DB
    glaive
    AS
    AS
    KC+readiness
    Lynx
    DB
    glaive+BW
    KC

    ill give it a try now

    ---------- Post added 2012-10-08 at 12:38 AM ----------



    cause then you pull the boss before everyone is ready -_-?

    Countdown:

    5
    4
    3
    2- send pet
    1
    start

    it's simple right?
    Why is the second BW being delayed by a few seconds?

  15. #35
    it's exactly 10 seconds after the first BW

    count the globals

    also: nightryder, i'm not getting as high burst (on recount) using the new method, but i'm pretty sure it should do more damage overall (which is what matters)

    peaking at around 90k with the new method but that's likely because the 2 rushes are not back to back and a tiny bit spread out.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    it's exactly 10 seconds after the first BW

    count the globals
    Ah, sorry you are correct I was counting the CD's as a GCD and thinking BW was being delayed by a second.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Illana View Post
    hmm so....

    after cds popped:

    KC
    stampede
    lynx
    DB
    glaive
    AS
    AS
    KC+readiness
    Lynx
    DB
    glaive+BW
    KC

    ill give it a try now

    ---------- Post added 2012-10-08 at 12:38 AM ----------



    cause then you pull the boss before everyone is ready -_-?

    Countdown:

    5
    4
    3
    2- send pet
    1
    start

    it's simple right?
    Same logic
    5
    4
    3
    2
    1
    .5 - SS

  18. #38
    ok well let's look at from a different angle: neither situation is going to happen since you won't get BL or trinket procs at 0 seconds in the fight.

    Most likely at 2-5 seconds you'd get BL and will be doing standard rotation until then.

  19. #39
    Isn't this the start of a fight and not during BL?

  20. #40
    I just tried it, bursted 105k. Quillen pet for crit 466 iLvl. Gonna try get a screen shot in 5 minutes
    I want to have a child and use it as a pulling tool in dungeons.


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