"There is good and evil in this world; we must find the black and white in the gray."
If you want to stay competitive and give your guild an edge, you have to buy VP gear. If you want to buy VP gear, you have to do dailies. You have to do them every day, or you will have to wait that much longer to get your gear.
It doesn't end at Revered either, because Klaxxi and GL give you a free 489 ring and neck at Exalted. That's 2500 VP worth of free shit, or whatever your guild is charging in DKP/EPGP for those items/slots. The incentives are just too good to stop and say "I don't wanna do this."
Saying that all these dailies aren't required is a fallacy because while it is technically true, it's akin to saying that you don't HAVE to get a good GPA to graduate college, or hell you don't HAVE to get a job and make a living. You can live on the street eating out of a garbage can, but it's not much of a life. Same with WoW, it's a gear treadmill and if you're stuck in heroic blues in about a month you're going to look like a hobo compared to the people who grinded dailies to exalted and are now walking around in full raid/VP gear.
Again choosing to chase rewards in a game all about rewards is funny. Your not choosing a fucking thing. Your being lead to the cheese. It's a skinner box and they changed the pellet you liked before that you were FORCED to take into something else. Just like your forced to do these god damned dailies.
OP, anyone saying that probably does have to cap valor to stay competitive. Anyone in my main group who wasn't even willing to cap valor and chase easy purps doesn't have their eye on the prize.
That being said, the amount of effort needed to do this seems excessive. It's a lot of effort to not fall behind, even if it will only last a month like this before pve gear is fully raid driven again.
Last edited by Vayshan; 2012-10-12 at 08:10 PM.
Also, in case you hadn't noticed, VP gives 489 gear...the same gear you get out of normal Mogushan Vaults. Sure, if you're DREAM Paragon you can waltz in, clear it on heroic in 2 weeks in blues and farm from there, but for most of us that gear is going to give us a needed boost getting into heroic modes. So it's not really a choice, you either get carried and make everyone else work harder or you do the dailies and get your gear.
Infracted. Keep it civil
Last edited by Darsithis; 2012-10-12 at 08:38 PM.
You only get 4000 valor a month, enough to buy three items at most, 1 and a half if you already have epic rings/wrist/belt/neck items.
Really, the only dailies you might be required to do are the klaxxi, golden lotus, and tiller dailies, the first two for the neck piece and rings, and the last for spirits of harmony, the rest of the gear is much more easily obtained by doing LFR & raids.
Last edited by Courierrawr; 2012-10-12 at 08:21 PM.
people complained about nothing to do in cata, and now they are complaining about having stuff to do?!
you don't need to cap valor to raid, you don't even need to max your reps now that shoulder and head enchants are no longer rep dependent. all the valor vendors sell are pieces of gear that ease the transition into raids for those of us ( the vast vast majority of us ) who are not top 10 material.
you don't need to raid, you raid because you enjoy it. if it ever starts feeling like a chore, you should stop doing it.
i don't particularly like dallies, but doing them is better then sitting afk in org which is pretty much what i did for the entirety of cata after raids were finished. they bring people out into the world, and i'm hoping that they continue sustaining in subsequent patches them because they make my server alive again.
" I need a sec, my wrists hurt from spamming slam so hard. Playing cleave vs cleave is tough stuff guys"
Capping Valor will be relevant for maybe 1 or 2 more weeks, and by then any serious guild will be farming heroic bosses for better items anyhow.
Right now, you could have two accessory slots filled up, or one and then save for a 2k+ VP item.
After that, it's another 2 weeks before you get an item. By then, Hear of Fear will be out, and those items are useless.
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He's not choosing anything. I mean if it were a genuine choice then all rewards would have to be equal. Since they aren't clearly then ITS NOT A REAL CHOICE. Just like saying no to the gunman isn't a real choice either. Technically you can say no but who wants to be a fucking hero and get shot.
Cmooon for years they didn't nothing but tear down road blocks in the game and even in mists they did alot of that as well. They put up a HUGE one and you people don't see the contradictions? Cmoooooon Its sooooo obvious. I mean if they change their position tmmrw due to overwhelming pressure will you still accept it and toe the party line? Cmoooon. Where were all the voices arguing in favor of every progressive decision they made over the course of the games life to increase accessibilty and remove road blocks? Cmooooon.
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I consider my guild to be a progression guild and we are only 2/6 normal. This is because we aren't pushing for anything more than fun progression. We only started raiding on the 9th, because people have jobs/family/other commitments meaning rushing to 90 wasn't the top of the 'to-do' list so we gave 2 weeks for people to get to 90. We don't push for optimal compositions or min/max-ing. You don't have to be in the top 10% of your class.
The whole of the first page here (and I suspect a lot of the rest of the thread, I lost the will to read the rest) was a guy pointing out ITS A FUCKING GAME with people insisting they were somehow dragged kicking and screaming and chained to the keyboard until they finished their VP grind for the week.
When he's pointing out people need to get a grip and those same ppl who should get a grip are trying to explain how they feel compelled and Blizz should make it simpler so they're compulsions are more easily satisfied we really aren't going to get a lot done.
The VP grind is there to go at if wanted. You could pvp, raid, make a sandwich, watch a film, talk your other half into performing fellatio or any other matter of activities. It's FAR from a compulsory part of your life. If you choose to raid and choose to raid competitively and choose to acquire gear to raid competitively and choose to use the VP grind path to get that gear it's hardly fair to lay the blame for all those choices at someone else' door. Man up and accept some responsibility for your actions and choices or you'll continue to make bad ones.
Originally Posted by BoubouilleOriginally Posted by xxAkirhaxx