Roger Rivard, Wisconsin Legislator, Criticized Over 'Some Girls Rape Easy' Remark

[FusedMass]

That's what and I quote:

A Republican Wisconsin lawmaker has said. In a time where todd Akin. A republican has said that the women have a way to magically reject rape. That their whole body shut's down thus no one has a baby? well he has said re-tracted that. However a very very disturbing trend not just into republican's but humans. (republican's seem more attracted to this idea however)

It makes me wonder on women's health care. Not one single female was allowed to speak there. Not one. Yet we have insurance to pay for drugs for men who had problems in their love life. I.e. Viagra and this is covered under insurance yet some womens heahlth care is not. Why not? we deserve to give people equal rights. This is not the 1900's where you could flat out reject women voting. Where a woman's role was in the kitchen. So why do people make such remarks that are full of ignorance.

To stop paying for health care. Or do they really deep down want to control them. The title of the thread is accurate. There's no biased or one sided view that some of you are quick to ask the mod's to change to reflect your view. It's a direct quote and it cannot get any more clear then that. This isn't just about remarks it's about women in general..

Thoughts?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1956491.html

[Yerbury]

I do not excuse Rivard's remarks, which (any way you slice it) were unforgivable. But they were taken out of context. The headline in isolation would suggest that he was advocating rape, by inferring that it is easier to rape some girls than others. However, he was actually referring to girls who engage in consensual sex and later, upon discovering pregnancy (for example), claim rape as a means of diminishing or altogether dismissing their accountability.

Again, the comments Rivard made were shocking and deplorable, but he was not advocating rape - as some media outlets have suggested.

[FusedMass]

I do not excuse Rivard's remarks, which (any way you slice it) were unforgivable. But they were taken out of context. The headline in isolation would suggest that he was advocating rape, by inferring that it is easier to rape some girls than others. However, he was actually referring to girls who engage in consensual sex and later, upon discovering pregnancy (for example), claim rape as a means of diminishing or altogether dismissing their accountability.

Again, the comments Rivard made were shocking and deplorable, but he was not advocating rape - as some media outlets have suggested.

No matter what way you slice the bread it comes out the same. He said this in a different setting and in a personal comment. Yet that's what he said. I do not see how biased or inaccurate when that's exactly what he said..word for word. How can you say he meant "most girls" or spin it in a different way is back peddling the comment rather excusing the content but not the message.

[Gamdwelf]

No matter what way you slice the bread it comes out the same. He said this in a different setting and in a personal comment. Yet that's what he said. I do not see how biased or inaccurate when that's exactly what he said..word for word. How can you say he meant "most girls" or spin it in a different way is back peddling the comment rather excusing the content but not the message.

You didn't read what the guy actually said did you?

[FusedMass]

It makes little difference now. My thread titled earlier the day before about CEO pushing job "tax hikes" aka "obama" as a way to influence voters. Yet the thread asking "How will Paul Ryan destroy biden" in biased in itself. It ask's how he will destroy him, implying that he will no matter what. Already setting the tone. That's been going on since last night.

My thread was created in less then ten minutes and already it was quickly edited to reflect other issues and removing the republican part out of the message. As some people think I try t disc ate the headlines in my biased point of view. I think it's equally fair to say it's done to me and It is getting frustrating. How about I pre send every thread before it get's posted so I know what you want it to look like.

[Yerbury]

You didn't read what the guy actually said did you?

He clearly did not.

If you are going to introduce a topic for discussion, it is always practical (in my view) to read and understand responses before engaging.

[FusedMass]

Another sensationalist, exaggerated feminazi thread from FusedMass. Move along.

So easy for you to dismiss women..isn't it?

[Blizzhoof]

His comments were fine. That kind of thing does happen and to deny reality is only lying to yourself. He didn't say rape was okay, he said that some women lie. I hate to break it to you, but everybody lies. There's been more than one time in the past couple of years where a national outrage about a rape occurred, only to find out that the woman was lying. Two examples are the Duke LaCrosse scandal and the Brian Banks case in Los Angeles (that one is a bit older though). Those are just off the top of my head. So stop freaking out about people speaking the truth just because it isn't PC.

[nbm02ss]

I kind of get what Rivard's Dad was trying to say, and that sometimes when it comes to allegations of rape it's a "she said, he said" affair, but, it seems like he's trying to imply that women are malevolent beings who routinely do that sort of thing, and I don't agree with that at all.

[Paladin885]

1.) the only "rejection" a woman's body can do, biologically, is reject the male hormone if present in her body during pregnancy. That allows the fetus to mutate and not clone into a female. (that's how boys are made kids)
2.) IDK about my feelings of offering women a sex performance enhancer drug because they have nothing needed to be "put up" and their libido fluctuates monthly while males can wont; Hence the drug for men. But there are things for women to make them as horny as men, but I doubt its covered by their healthcare... maybe that's your question??? O.o
3.)Roger Rivard quote:

Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she's not going to say, 'Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.' All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she's underage. And he just said, 'Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,' he said, 'they rape so easy.'

I have to agree and disagree with this. I agree because it is easy for a woman to have sex, then scream rape even when it is consensual. I have a friend who got involved with a girl was was "18" (she wasnt) and her family found a video on her computer of him and her, they tried to sue and charge him with statutory rape but later it was found that that girl had been with about 7 other men and filmed them too. Really changed how you think about it doesn't it?

I disagree with the wording. Claiming that women make rape "easy" is a bad choice of words; words that can backfire (obviously it has). I think it would have been wiser to assess that there are people who willingly take advantage of the double standard that a woman can do no harm in the bed (because men get raped too).

Then again, who are we talking about here? so old white republican men? Can't expect too much, can we? lol

[FusedMass]

Nah. Just easy to dismiss you.

Either way pretty broad generalizeing of females. One might even think you had a pre thought about this and something to ignore women. Well it is important. This war on women must be stopped. We need to support all humans, regardless of race, background or gender. Why do more people not support this?

[Kraenen]

Nah. Just easy to dismiss you.

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no u di int!!!

[stumpy]

Again, the comments Rivard made were shocking and deplorable, but he was not advocating rape - as some media outlets have suggested.

The HuffPost article isn't making that claim. Hell, the headline doesn't even imply it, as you say it does.

The article does, on the other hand, explicitly state that he's under fire for encouraging a blame-the-victim mentality towards rape, which fundies and teabaggers are using to undermine the coverage of abortion and medical care for rape victims.

[Garnier Fructis]

I can't really see anything in our opening post that relates to the quote in question. He said that some girls will consent to sex and then afterwards claim it was rape.

How is that offensive? That stuff does happen.

[FusedMass]

I support actual causes for concern. Woman's rights in the United States of America is not a cause for concern, as there are little to no issues. If anything is the most discriminated race/gender combo in this country, it is the white male who is put at a disadvantage due to federal laws requiring employers and universities to give preferences to minorities.

Get with me when you want to go stop the suppression of women in Iran. Then we'll make a fine team! :3

There seem's to be a grave misunderstanding of what you believe and actually say. (Nice pony by the way) It's not about simply women's right's it's about health care. Everything that's talked about them in the press. It's amazing to me that you choose to ignore me. Somehow we find our self's exchanging idea's. I suppose that's another example of you believing one thing...saying other..

Though health coverage for women. We need this. In case you had forgotten women had to fight and protest for equal rights before a woman's kitchen was her place. We are moving past this.

[Rukentuts]

There's a terrible choice of words for conveying what he was trying to say (that some women cry rape to cover up a consensual encounter).

But that's all I see it as. Todd Akin was completely off the mark, both in what he said and his supporting arguments. This lawmaker just didn't think before flapping his yap, but his points about some women cry rape to cover up consensual sex have some merit.

[Talokami]

I get what he was trying to say, but it really could have been worded better. I do grudgingly admit that the man makes a valid point.

[Torq]

You didn't read what the guy actually said did you?

He never does. He just finds these articles so he can bait more party-bashing. Typical behavior of someone who can't defend his own stance on things; instead, he just has to make the opponents look bad.

Though, with how often he does this, you'd think he's getting paid to do it.

[Garnier Fructis]

He never does. He just finds these articles so he can bait more party-bashing. Typical behavior of someone who can't defend his own stance on things; instead, he just has to make the opponents look bad.

Though, with how often he does this, you'd think he's getting paid to do it.

Don't forget the straw man arguments. Observe that the actual quote had nothing to do with health care, yet 2/3 of the original post was arguing something about health care.

[FusedMass]

He never does. He just finds these articles so he can bait more party-bashing. Typical behavior of someone who can't defend his own stance on things; instead, he just has to make the opponents look bad.

Though, with how often he does this, you'd think he's getting paid to do it.

Again. I truly love and value personal feedback and information. However like Fox New's widely inaccurate as if repeating a lie over and over will make it true. It does not. Though you have no interest in what is true your mind already clouted by what you believe. It's slander to insult a poster when you have virtually no idea what runs in their mind.

Perhaps this is less about me and more about how you hate women. Thanks for directing your anger to me. Always happy to help the misinformed because I read an online newspaper instead of CNN or Fox News.