Roger Rivard, Wisconsin Legislator, Criticized Over 'Some Girls Rape Easy' Remark

[Puremallace]

'Rivard criticized over 'some girls rape easy' remark'. A portion of the criticism aimed at Rivard over this statement was covered in other news stories. Given that they have direct relevance, it is appropriate to refer to them.

Look I am too the point right now where I do not care.

. If you are old and vote Republican and cannot afford your healthcare or medication you deserve to die
. If you are a woman and get raped and Paul Ryan can change the definition, so that the guy gets off because it was not forcible rape then screw you
. If your kid gets killed in Iran once Romney sends in the troops then screw you

I worked in the mail order system for prescriptions. I got sick and tired of telling old people "Well you are out of luck because you hit the donut hole in January and have to pay 100% out of pocket".

Rush Limbaugh calling that one chick a whore because she wanted to be on birth control. Republicans are starting to sound like Shari-Law Muslims everyday they open their mouths.

Paul Ryan sounding just like George Bush last night when he started talking about weapons of mass destruction. There is a war on women and if you ignore it, then you deserve everything that you get.

Woman independents believing Ryan last night because he has some looks. Even my girl friend said he was cute. She thought he was a piece of shit after I told her that guy right there wants to send your sister who is in the national guard into Iran and possibly back to Afghanistan

[Izzabella]

And the haves in this case are mostly men and their indocrinated consorts, and the have nots are mostly women and those few men that support them in their bid for equality.

As a gay male, I find it easier to empathise with women because we are both members of marginalized social groups.

How are women marginalized? As a gay male you probably have a higher chance of being raped than women but I don't see feminists rallying behind male victims its all about themselves. They actually deny men resources and money to go towards men. The theory of patriarchy hurts male victims and males in non stereotypical roles. I know women are often victims and discriminated against in many areas but what single issue does not also impact men? Men are 40% of domestic abuse victims in America. Recent legislation now hurts male victims of sexual assualt and rape. Singling out one group of people I think is foolish. Its larger than just women. Is Anne Romney and Oprah oppressed? Or is it impoverished women or women of color and things like that? Its not gender in my opinion but I am a marxist so I guess I have a bias..

[Elegiac]

How are women marginalized? As a gay male you probably have a higher chance of being raped than women but I don't see feminists rallying behind male victims its all about themselves. They actually deny men resources and money to go towards men. The theory of patriarchy hurts male victims and males in non stereotypical roles. I know women are often victims and discriminated against in many areas but what single issue does not also impact men? Men are 40% of domestic abuse victims in America. Recent legislation now hurts male victims of sexual assualt and rape. Singling out one group of people I think is foolish. Its larger than just women. Is Anne Romney and Oprah oppressed? Or is it impoverished women or women of color and things like that? Its not gender in my opinion but I am a marxist so I guess I have a bias..

Women are in a small minority in governing and corporate positions.

Women get paid less than men.

Women suffer extreme vitriol culturally.

Also, quit using outliers as examples of an average.

[Gamdwelf]

Look I am too the point right now where I do not care.

. If you are old and vote Republican and cannot afford your healthcare or medication you deserve to die
. If you are a woman and get raped and Paul Ryan can change the definition, so that the guy gets off because it was not forcible rape then screw you
. If your kid gets killed in Iran once Romney sends in the troops then screw you

I worked in the mail order system for prescriptions. I got sick and tired of telling old people "Well you are out of luck because you hit the donut hole in January and have to pay 100% out of pocket".

Rush Limbaugh calling that one chick a whore because she wanted to be on birth control. Republicans are starting to sound like Shari-Law Muslims everyday they open their mouths.

Paul Ryan sounding just like George Bush last night when he started talking about weapons of mass destruction. There is a war on women and if you ignore it, then you deserve everything that you get.

Woman independents believing Ryan last night because he has some looks. Even my girl friend said he was cute. She thought he was a piece of shit after I told her that guy right there wants to send your sister who is in the national guard into Iran and possibly back to Afghanistan

Volunteer military.

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Women are in a small minority in governing and corporate positions.

Women get paid less than men.

Women suffer extreme vitriol culturally.

Also, quit using outliers as examples of an average.

Women get paid more then men in my age bracket, and I am fighting to end the oppression against me.

[Izzabella]

Women are in a small minority in governing and corporate positions.

Women get paid less than men.

Women suffer extreme vitriol culturally.

Also, quit using outliers as examples of an average.

Men are most of the government but do you think the average man is represented? All of our politicians come from money and its sexist to think that men are incapable of knowing the issues women deal with and caring. We don't need women in politics. We need politicians that care regardless of their gender. Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin are women polilticians and what do they do for "women's rights"? Look at studies of men and women pay and look at all the factors behind the difference. The current trend is actually young childless women out earn men. I think the children and how women are historically the one raising kids and at home that is the biggest influence in pay gaps. Women that have to be home at 5 to make dinner or pick up the kids from day care at that time do not have the same opportunities as a man without those obligations.

You are a gay male you don't receive as much or more vitriol? I can not go anywhere online where homophobic remarks are heard more often than any sexist slur. I just don't see why we are doing this backwards. I think you are probably more oppressed than the average woman in America but you are putting their issues before yours. Thats nice of you but I would just check your facts a bit better.

[Magpai]

(republican's seem more attracted to this idea however)

Don't paint with that wide of a brush based on a few morons. It's stupid and hypocritical.

P.S. Hilarious that you think "equal rights" for women will be accomplished by allowing them to take more money out of taxpayers' pockets by government force.

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As a gay male, I find it easier to empathise with women because we are both members of marginalized social groups.

And as long as you consider yourself in that way, you won't need anyone to marginalize you. You're doing it thoroughly yourself.

[Rukentuts]

How in the hell are people twisting this into the 'War on Women'? The full context of what he is saying has nothing to do with it.

[Torq]

Again. I truly love and value personal feedback and information. However like Fox New's widely inaccurate as if repeating a lie over and over will make it true. It does not. Though you have no interest in what is true your mind already clouted by what you believe. It's slander to insult a poster when you have virtually no idea what runs in their mind.

Perhaps this is less about me and more about how you hate women. Thanks for directing your anger to me. Always happy to help the misinformed because I read an online newspaper instead of CNN or Fox News.

I don't get why you suddenly dragged Fox News into this. This has nothing to do with your sources of information; purely your betrayal of them, and how you like to twist them extremely far out of context to bag on a particular party. I also have no clue where you got "hating women" out of anything I said, either... Talk about a hell of an ad hominem with absolutely no basis in anything in reality.

That you're bagging on Republicans is inconsequential, as well. I'm critiquing your methods, and the utter lack of connection between about half the things you say and the things you're citing. If you were bagging on Democrats, or whatever, I'd still be critiquing you.

You're a terrible poster who does nothing more than incite party-bashing in all of your posts, and then can only defend yourself with personal attacks.

The fact that you never support anything you believe, and only ever try to put down your opponents, speaks volumes for your lack of security and knowledge in your own beliefs. The tearing down of your opponent is the last resort of those incapable of defending their own position.

[Puremallace]

oh how could I forget.

Mitt Romney opposes the Lillie-Ledbetter act to equalize pay for women

ohh ohh also

Opposes any rights of lesbians. Lesbians are woman too

[Tikaru]

How in the hell are people twisting this into the 'War on Women'? The full context of what he is saying has nothing to do with it.

People see the following:

Republican

rape

And jump to conclusions.

[Gamdwelf]

oh how could I forget.

Mitt Romney opposes the Lillie-Ledbetter act to equalize pay for women

ohh ohh also

Opposes any rights of lesbians. Lesbians are woman too

But women already make more than men so he is opposing an act to decrease their pay.

[Rukentuts]

People see the following:



And jump to conclusions.

Indeed, I just wanted to hear it from their mouths.

[Laize]

That's what and I quote:

A Republican Wisconsin lawmaker has said. In a time where todd Akin. A republican has said that the women have a way to magically reject rape. That their whole body shut's down thus no one has a baby? well he has said re-tracted that. However a very very disturbing trend not just into republican's but humans. (republican's seem more attracted to this idea however)

It makes me wonder on women's health care. Not one single female was allowed to speak there. Not one. Yet we have insurance to pay for drugs for men who had problems in their love life. I.e. Viagra and this is covered under insurance yet some womens heahlth care is not. Why not? we deserve to give people equal rights. This is not the 1900's where you could flat out reject women voting. Where a woman's role was in the kitchen. So why do people make such remarks that are full of ignorance.

To stop paying for health care. Or do they really deep down want to control them. The title of the thread is accurate. There's no biased or one sided view that some of you are quick to ask the mod's to change to reflect your view. It's a direct quote and it cannot get any more clear then that. This isn't just about remarks it's about women in general..

Thoughts?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1956491.html

I actually read that quote a few days ago.

I didn't get the impression that he was coming from a place of ignorance. It seemed, to me, that he was warning young men to be careful of women who "[cry] rape easy". That is, women who regret their actions the night (or weeks) prior and retroactively decide a sexual encounter was rape. These situations DO happen, and even if you get off the hook you're still stigmatized.

There was an instance not long ago of a man who was found not guilty of rape and then had his picture plastered all over the internet.

It really seemed to me like he was just warning young men to be careful because even allegations of rape can ruin your life.

[Rukentuts]

There was an instance not long ago of a man who was found not guilty of rape and then had his picture plastered all over the internet.

It really seemed to me like he was just warning young men to be careful because even allegations of rape can ruin your life.

There's also been instances in which those falsely accused have been murdered.

[Laize]

There's also been instances in which those falsely accused have been murdered.

Yep, those too.

I'm not a big fan of fundie Republicans at all, but I didn't get for a second that this guy was coming from a place of ignorance.

[rnbwtrout]

i agree with the legislator; all of this can be easily avoided if women simply knew all their options:

[Tikaru]

i agree with the legislator; all of this can be easily avoided if women simply knew all their options:

Did you read anything other than the thread title?

[Laize]

i agree with the legislator; all of this can be easily avoided if women simply knew all their options:

You didn't read the article.

Everyone should stop taking his words out of context.

[Talokami]

I don't think there is a nice way to say some women will throw their sexual partners under the bus to shield themselves from the consequences of their actions. It is a serious thing, it can and has ruined the lives of many innocent young men. I'm sure there are better choices of words than his however.

I wholeheartedly agree.

It's a pretty awful situation. You're absolutely right that being falsely accused of rape does have major negative consequences for the accused. However, if you say you sympathize for the wrongly accused men you're looked at as scum.

Rape, in my opinion, is one of the most horrible crimes you can commit against another human being so it should have dire consequences. But, those should be applied after it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the rape was actually committed.

Crying wolf over rape is pretty damn irresponsible, but I do understand that it is a knee-jerk reaction for some young women. That doesn't make it any better, however.

Edit: Would it be unreasonable to ask for a mod edit to the thread title? It's really misleading and a lot of people aren't bothering to read past it.

[Gegan]

It's slander to insult a poster when you have virtually no idea what runs in their mind.

You mean libel in this format. Slander is oral.