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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That's why it's not an implication of rape. You're still offering yourself for a screwing. That's the entire purpose of that crude sexual metaphor.



    No more ridiculous than the guy who'd have preferred a different aesthetic and decided to suggest that his personal preferences therefore mean that Blizzard is offering itself as a sexual "bottom" to the Chinese market.

    And yes, it's probably your personal opinion, but opinions absolutely can be racist; that's not a defense.
    Is it racist to think that a successful company might think about expanding on a 2 bn people large market that is improving economically in a drastic way?

    Please man, you got it completely wrong off the start. Read your first post again. Its insulting as hell. personal insults thrown around randomly. you want me to quote you?
    You can't turn it around, never did I mean any of my comments to be racist as I was discussing something's style. De gustibus non disputandum est.
    you would have understood if you bothered reading it.

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    Critics also failed Star Wars, Star Trek and Indiana Jones. Critics are just more opinions, and the worst kind, the ones that don't appreciate the things they critique in the first place. It would be kinda like having a coke addict give me reviews on movies that he went to then spent the whole night in the bathroom vomiting. not reliable.

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    You lost any credibility by calling that factual data.

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    The increase in subs kinda makes this irrelevant. And yes, lol metacritic.
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  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBacon View Post
    Aw, welp. I thought I was having fun but I guess this expansion is pretty bad. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
    I know right? I thought that this was better then cata at the very least, and I didn't mind cata! But I guess if a bunch of "Critics" say it's bad it must be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    You? We? Read again it says STYLEWISE. It means concerning only the way it looks, it looks as if it was created by the Chinese embassy. There is nothing wrong nor racist in saying "Chinese" you know?
    Stop nitpicking.[
    It has nothing to do with whether, it's stylewise or anything else. You were basically saying we are bending over and they are shoving asia up our - whatever. And that's a negative connotation. You were saying before that you didn't say it was a bad thing. But the image you painted is clearly negative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    There isn't an answer, cause it isn't a question.
    Again, what is norse landscape to you?
    Describe it.

    Snow, glaciers? Viking ships?
    Northrend had lots of that.

    Dragonblight, Borean and Fjord, Icecrown and Stormpeaks.

    What is asian landscape?
    What is asian about the landscape in Pandaria?

    Jade Forest, sure. Bamboo, cherry blossom trees. Maybe a bit of Kunlai and Vale of Eternal Blossoms.
    But beyond that?

    Krasarang looks like a jungle. Valley of the Four Winds is farmland that reminded me of zones like Arathi. Townlong Steppes doesn't remind me of asian landscape one bit. Dread Wastes is a dark bug-infested zone. What's asian in there?

    There is more norse "landscape" in Northrend than there is asian in Pandaria.

    Of course MoP is heavily based on asian culture. But just in terms of landscape. Not that much.

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    Cool.
    I'd love to stay and argue with you but its about time i do some dailies and some heroics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Is it racist to think that a successful company might think about expanding on a 2 bn people large market that is improving economically in a drastic way?

    Please man, you got it completely wrong off the start. Read your first post again. Its insulting as hell. personal insults thrown around randomly. you want me to quote you?
    You can't turn it around, never did I mean any of my comments to be racist as I was discussing something's style. De gustibus non disputandum est.
    you would have understood if you bothered reading it.
    You don't get to claim your argument is solely about personal taste when you're suggesting that the marketing team of Blizzard deliberately tuned the aesthetics to appeal to a market, and that this decision was "bad".

    I don't have any issues with personal taste differences. I think TBC was, aesthetically speaking, a hodgepodge of completely disconnected zones (stylistically speaking), and the item skins were some of the worst the game has ever seen. You liked it, apparently. I haven't brought it up before now, because that's just a personal taste difference.

    The other stuff that I AM calling out isn't about personal taste, so stop attacking a straw man.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by evokanu View Post
    There is a question but you are only saying this because you can not provide a answer.
    This is getting philosophic. What are Norse landscapes?
    A cold raging sea comes to mind, freezing wind swept fields. Anything that would remind the areas of the costs of Northern Europe.

    Hence, NOT sholazar basin.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    It has nothing to do with whether, it's stylewise or anything else. You were basically saying we are bending over and they are shoving asia up our - whatever. And that's a negative connotation. You were saying before that you didn't say it was a bad thing. But the image you painted is clearly negative.


    Again, what is norse landscape to you?
    Describe it.

    Snow, glaciers? Viking ships?
    Northrend had lots of that.

    Dragonblight, Borean and Fjord, Icecrown and Stormpeaks.

    What is asian landscape?
    What is asian about the landscape in Pandaria?

    Jade Forest, sure. Bamboo, cherry blossom trees. Maybe a bit of Kunlai and Vale of Eternal Blossoms.
    But beyond that?

    Krasarang looks like a jungle. Valley of the Four Winds is farmland that reminded me of zones like Arathi. Townlong Steppes doesn't remind me of asian landscape one bit. Dread Wastes is a dark bug-infested zone. What's asian in there?

    There is more norse "landscape" in Northrend than there is asian in Pandaria.

    Of course MoP is heavily based on asian culture. But just in terms of landscape. Not that much.
    Yeh yeh ok

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by TJ View Post
    You lost any credibility by calling that factual data.
    It is a fact that MoP is the worst expansion based on review scores by both users and critics.

    Is it a fact that MoP is the worst expansion ever? Of course not.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    You? We? Read again it says STYLEWISE. It means concerning only the way it looks, it looks as if it was created by the Chinese embassy. There is nothing wrong nor racist in saying "Chinese" you know?
    Stop nitpicking.

    ---------- Post added 2012-10-13 at 08:28 PM ----------



    There isn't an answer, cause it isn't a question.
    can you tell me of one zone other then sholozar that isnt heavily based on norse mythology? also while norse "landscapes" as you call them a very limited asia is a HUGE place and therefore drawing an entire continent on such a place is much easier to do, pandaria has wild jungles, large farmlands, snowy mountain tops, a large coastal forest, along with places like the vale and dread wastes.
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  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You don't get to claim your argument is solely about personal taste when you're suggesting that the marketing team of Blizzard deliberately tuned the aesthetics to appeal to a market, and that this decision was "bad".
    I never said that decision was bad. I said it was more prone to critics. So all your point below and above is wrong again.

  13. #293
    Review scores from sites that award a score based on how much the publisher pays them. Seems like a good way to rate a game.

    I find it amazingly fun, and many others do too. Review sites mean nothing to the individual enjoyment.

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    MoP is much better than Cata was so far imo.

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    Less than BC

    Better than WOTLK/Cata for sure !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    This is getting philosophic. What are Norse landscapes?
    A cold raging sea comes to mind, freezing wind swept fields. Anything that would remind the areas of the costs of Northern Europe.

    Hence, NOT sholazar basin.



    Happy now?

    ---------- Post added 2012-10-13 at 08:41 PM ----------



    Yeh yeh ok
    I didn't say sholazar basin looks like "norse landscape". It is connected to the titans, however, whose constructs are based on norse gods. For example Freija played a big part in that zone.
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Freya

    Ans is based on this beauty here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja

    However I don't think you're interested in any kind of real discussion. Your last comment at least implicated that.

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    I quit after Rag blew up FH last year and had zero intention of playing the game until I found out almost all my good friends in FH - who also hadn't planned on playing - had already leveled up for challenge modes. I begrudgingly upgraded as I still had way too much sub time left over from my annual pass + D3 CE months, and I've been very surprised that, for the most part, the expansion is actually pretty fun. The leveling felt good; it took longer than Cataclysm but not as long as WotLK, and it did a much better job of introducing recurring characters and sticking to central story lines than most previous expansions. The reputation/justice/valor reward system is completely retarded, but the dailies themselves are actually pretty fun and I find myself doing a lot of the solo content. The Tiller faction plus the new cooking system really threw me as I hadn't read about that during beta but it's a pretty fun little mini-game and I think adds an interesting new dimension to the economy as well.

    Heroic dungeons were too easy, but I think that's mostly a bi-product of there being so few normal difficulty dungeons and the justice point rewards being so dogshit. Raid difficulty seems very, very well tuned, although LFR is such a joke that I actually feel like I'm playing the game worse when I get out of the run and have to un-fuck my thinking so as to actually pay attention to what's going on. Normal modes, though, are almost exactly on the dot - not so hard that it'll take a guild more than a week to clear them with any concerted effort, but not so easy that you can do your first clear in one night without any prior knowledge. I do think the first boss shouldn't be the first boss, as any mechanic that requires that much tank coordination really shouldn't be right out front as the first boss of the first raid of the expansion. I haven't done heroics yet (no one wanted to this week, we're so casualsauce now >_>) but they look to be tuned about where I'd expect them to be.

    Challenge modes are really, really cool. I didn't think they'd pull the concept off very well, but they've done a pretty good job. The big issue here is that it makes class balance for five man PvE content a big deal where it hasn't been for a long time, so you do tend to see the same group compositions over and over. Elemental is the amazing bullshit DPS utility class for once, though, so I can't complain. ^____^

    All in all? Not disappointed. Well, I am, but in reverse. I kind of wanted my free time because I'm taking classes full-time and this is eating up a lot of my study time. :<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    This is getting philosophic. What are Norse landscapes?
    A cold raging sea comes to mind, freezing wind swept fields. Anything that would remind the areas of the costs of Northern Europe.

    Hence, NOT sholazar basin.



    Happy now?
    There's 10 zones in WotLK;
    Borean Tundra
    Dragonblight
    Howling Fjord
    Sholazar Basin
    Grizzly Hills
    Zul'drak
    Storm Peaks
    Icecrown
    Wintergrasp

    Crystalsong

    Of those, the ones in bold have heavy Nordic style influences. 7 of 10.

    In Pandaria, there are 7 zones (so far);
    Jade Forest
    Krasarang Wilds
    Valley of the Four Winds
    Kun-lai Summit
    Townlong Steppes
    Dread Wastes
    Vale of Eternal Blossoms

    Again, bold have fairly heavy Asian influences, particularly Chinese. 4/7.

    While I might be pushing a bit for Dragonblight since it's more "generically snowy" than Norse, specifically, the same is true of Valley of the Four Winds, which is mostly "generically farmy", and Kun-lai Summit, which has a few temples but otherwise is just "generically mountain/hilly".

    Do the Mogu have a solid Asian influence? Sure. Vrykul were obviously Norse, though.

    There's no major difference except the culture that was used as the central inspirational focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekrik View Post
    Unfortunately you have to pay FULL PRICE for the expansion right now, NOT at the end of the expac. So reviews right now are justified and really important.
    Well, I don't like your thread but I'll ask you a question in all fairness: How is the thread title "Verdict Finally In: MoP is substantially worse than previous expansions" anything other than misleading on the face of it and essentially flamebait only created to stir stuff up?

    We know you aren't playing this since it doesn't meet your personal criteria of a 90% rating before you'll bother with it, so why are you bothering to post threads about it?

    You've got your couple of hours of attention on MMO-C for whatever that's worth. Is that it?

    This is reminiscent of the stupidity around the initial reviews of Cataclysm and trying to review something like WotLK without knowing anything about ICC or the Lich King fight.
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  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    can you tell me of one zone other then sholozar that isnt heavily based on norse mythology? also while norse "landscapes" as you call them a very limited asia is a HUGE place and therefore drawing an entire continent on such a place is much easier to do, pandaria has wild jungles, large farmlands, snowy mountain tops, a large coastal forest, along with places like the vale and dread wastes.
    Borean tundra, sholazar, crystal song, dragonblight, Zul drak and grizzly hills. 6/9

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