Arms Dps

[nate1x]

Hey Everyone, been busy gearing lately and im currently sitting at 472 Ilvl, i tried out my dps yesterday on a raid target dummy and only managed to pull 42k. Im not really sure atm whats good and whats bad in terms of ilvl and what i should be at. Is 42k good/bad for my Ilvl? Or is it around average? Any insight into this would be great. Armory below



http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Teloros/simple

[Fiercon]

Well, I'm not good at managing DPS in a "real" fight. I tend to spam every ability that comes off CD instead of chosing the right one ...

On a boss-dummy, where I can take my time I (only?) manage to pull something around 40k with 461 Ilvl. So 45-50k sounds reasonable for 471 Ilvl I guess. But then again I'm just a mediocre Arms warrior - still learning very much.

[Kaljurei]

I don't know with what spec you run with when you go on a target dummy, but it should definitely not include Bladestorm and Avatar.

I also have no idea why you're using Mastery Gems. Str is way better in Red Sockets, and Str/Crit in Yellow Sockets.

Sigh I really have to level my Warrior <_>

[Shamanegans]

I don't know with what spec you run with when you go on a target dummy, but it should definitely not include Bladestorm and Avatar.

Why not? if he chose the talents he should be using them to reasonably test his rotation.

I also have no idea why you're using Mastery Gems. Str is way better in Red Sockets, and Str/Crit in Yellow Sockets.

That isn't right either.

You seem to be gemming pure stats everytime a gem slot appears. Don't do that you have a priority system again for gemming.

Prio for gemming arms is this:

Hit = Exp (7.5%) > Crit > STR > Mastery > Haste

I go:

red slots = +80 STR / +120 Crit
Blue slots = +160 Hit / +160 Crit
Yellow slots = +320 Crit

You should be able to make the exp cap by reforge alone and the blue sockets will help you reach the hit cap.

If you really want to learn the priority system you could use an addon to help and show what prio moves should be getting, I would recommend a nice addon a user of these forums made called SlamandAwe. Normally I will use this:

MS > DR > CS > SB > OP > HS @ 2+ stacks of TFB > Slam > HS @ 90+ rage.

Remember though using an addon cannot prioritise when it is best to use your CDs, it will always tell you to use them at the start of a fight and to use DR during CS etc.

Keep practising and good luck

[Deleted]

I have 460 ilvl, and pull 55-60k~ single target fights without gimmicks. I use Shockwave and Bloodbath. Remember that you're not getting an execute phase (and therefore not efficient usage of Skull Banner + Reck) when DPSing a target dummy, so it's really not a true representation of what you'd get in a real fight, especially as our DPS is so back loaded.

One tip I have for you if you're not doing it is to make sure you dip into Berserker Stance when you know raid damage is about to happen (for example, during phase 3 of the first boss in Shado-Pan).

[Succath]

That isn't right either.

You seem to be gemming pure stats everytime a gem slot appears. Don't do that you have a priority system again for gemming.

Prio for gemming arms is this:

Hit = Exp (7.5%) > Crit > STR > Mastery > Haste

I go:

red slots = +80 STR / +120 Crit
Blue slots = +160 Hit / +160 Crit
Yellow slots = +320 Crit

You should be able to make the exp cap by reforge alone and the blue sockets will help you reach the hit cap.

your not right either what you are posting now are the Prio stats for Fury not Arms.
Arms is as follows

Melee Hit (7.5%) > Expertise (7.5%) > Strength > Crit > Haste > Mastery

The gems are more or less the same to play with though but with the addition of the Bold full strength gems having a clear prio in most cases of a red slot.

[Fiercon]

I have 460 ilvl, and pull 55-60k~ single target fights without gimmicks.

In a bossfight, I can imagine this to be true (assuming buffs, flasks and so on), but I can't see where i should get 15-20k more dps on a target dummy, if 60k is what you are suggesting as "go to" value on a dummy.
Could you make a video of you fighting a dummy in 460 gear? I'd love to see where I can improve myself, since atm I feel underwhelming if indeed 60k is achievable on a dummy in 460 gear.

[Kaljurei]

Why not? if he chose the talents he should be using them to reasonably test his rotation.

Because they aren't the best single target talents to choose from. That's all there is to say.

[nate1x]

Thanks for the replies. About bladestorm and Avatar, i dont really change my talents too often mostly out of laziness, i will have another try with say Bloodbath/Dragons Roar and see how that goes.

Just a quick question about execute phase, is it best to save Reck/Banner for this phase In a fight that is sub 5 mins?

[Succath]

Thanks for the replies. About bladestorm and Avatar, i dont really change my talents too often mostly out of laziness, i will have another try with say Bloodbath/Dragons Roar and see how that goes.

Just a quick question about execute phase, is it best to save Reck/Banner for this phase In a fight that is sub 5 mins?

I would say yes. I usually use avatar in the beginning of the fight in that case as its only on a 3 min cool down.
It will be available again for the execute phase. at that point i have my Recklessness banner and avatar available and macro`d for max dps.

due to popping all cool downs i have seen crits up to 499k with execute. this ofc inc having CS up on the taget as well.

[Shamanegans]

your not right either what you are posting now are the Prio stats for Fury not Arms.
Arms is as follows

Melee Hit (7.5%) > Expertise (7.5%) > Strength > Crit > Haste > Mastery

That is for gear (reforging), gemming is the priority I posted. Even for Arms Crit rates higher than Strength for gems.

[Succath]

That is for gear (reforging), gemming is the priority I posted. Even for Arms Crit rates higher than Strength for gems.

Apologies you are right :P i looked at the wrong stats.

[Fiercon]

That is for gear, gemming is the priority I posted. Even for Arms Crit rates higher than Strength for gems.

To clarify:

1st: If you are min/maxing your gear try to get your ratings via a simulation tool.

2nd: Very rough numbers for 470 Ilvl are 1 strength = 1,8 crit so basically 1 strength is as good as 1,8 critrating.

3rd: Gems favor secondary stats - secondary stats get twice the amount: So a pure red gem has 160 strength whereas it has 320 of a secondary rating

The fact, that you get twice the amount of a secondary stat, makes all secondary stats with a pointvalue of >0.5primary stat the better choice.

[Deleted]

That is for gear (reforging), gemming is the priority I posted. Even for Arms Crit rates higher than Strength for gems.

This does not apply to JC gems, take +320str over +480crit

[Likasombodee]

I'd say 42k is low for your ilvl

I'm right at 470 and am doing, on average, anywhere from 65-85 sustained dps, depending on the fight.

Learn to time your CD's more effectively. I pull 45k without using a single CD - but my real DPS comes from utilizing the brutal effects of their synergy

Also L2gem

[Maxie]

I'm doing between 49 and 52k on a ~6min vs raid boss dummy fight with 472 ilvl. Bloodbath, Dragon Roar.

[Elfbane]

Since we're discussing Arms in here, wouldn't we want to gem exp/crit in red slots instead of str/crit so there's more chances to reforge to crit? Or is crit not quite that high for us?

[Kankipappa]

I'm doing between 49 and 52k on a ~6min vs raid boss dummy fight with 472 ilvl. Bloodbath, Dragon Roar.

With 474 Ilvl and similar length I managed to do sustained dps between 53-55k with Shockwave and stormbolt on a 90 lvl dummy. Had 20.73% crit with that set but those STR proc trinkets obviously really punched it up. However when I changed to raid drop polearm (yeah I know, really bad itemisation and agi, but still no sword drop so...) I managed to do 65k dps to dummy with same talents!

[Bigbazz]

No idea about dummy dps but if thats boss dps you are low. Cooldown timing, when you blow your rage and luck all play a massive part in Arms dps (especially luck), don't believe the 65-85k sustained at that gear level, people who say that are living fairytales, absolutely bumping those numbers up for the sake of looking good on the internet and basing it on their "lucky procs" dps.

And that is the problem with arms, the luck factor causes damage to sometimes vary massively from attempt to attempt. Remember if you're using bloodbath that every minute you want plenty of rage ready to pump into that, if possible you want to dragon roar, then put your colossus smash up and a heroic leap to pump in, if you can also line that up with taste for blood procs and blow heroic strikes into it. You need to make the absolute most of your cooldowns and rage with those cooldowns because that is where all the extra dps will come.

Stuff like this just comes from practice, though the dummies are useful you would be better off trying this in LFR.



If simcraft is to be believed (very possible that it is wrong, no idea why people treat this as religion), 1 STR is worth more than 2 crit rating for me, my Warrior is at ilvl471, I play Arms too.

[Deleted]

~57k sustained on raid dummy here, using bloodbath and dragon roar.

OT; str plate items in vaults SUCK. Got hands, legs and chest today, and none of them have crit and all of them have haste. Going to rev up my simcraft and check if they are of any use.