Plague Leech VS Unholy Blight

[broodax]

How is it a perfect scenario? It happens EVERY disease cycle. Literally...every single time. All you need is a rime proc. Which you have....prettymuch whenever you want.

You need a rime proc, which is random, and you don't have whenever you want, and you need to have a rune on cooldown, which, if you just got lucky with RE, or if you just had downtime, does not always happen during that 3 second window.

A lot of the time, this happens, and you can use Plague Leach, but the benefit of the talent is so small that when you waste entire uses of it even a few times in a fight, that advantage evaporates.

[Varyk]

You need a rime proc, which is random, and you don't have whenever you want, and you need to have a rune on cooldown, which, if you just got lucky with RE, or if you just had downtime, does not always happen during that 3 second window.

A lot of the time, this happens, and you can use Plague Leach, but the benefit of the talent is so small that when you waste entire uses of it even a few times in a fight, that advantage evaporates.

Having a rime proc isn't even close to difficult, you can twist your words to try and make your point all you want, it doesn't make your 'point' true. Why does it need to happen in a 3 second window? You can do it whenever you have a Rime proc. I was suggesting that it's convenient to use when you would reapply your diseases anyways. Then don't waste it. Of course playing incorrectly is going to make your damage worse, that's true of any ability. That's like saying Killing Machine is bad when you 'waste' it on Frost Strike. Playing bad isn't an excuse or valid argument.

[Deleted]

As unholy and blood I prefer unholy blight, especially on a fight like elegon with lots of target switching for a specific time frame. Allows me to have full disease uptime on the adds without wasting runes on applying them.

[Dossou]

Alright, I'm going to explain to people why Plague Leech is more DPS than Unholy Blight on a single target fight.

Let's run through a situation with UB.
Your diseases are about to fall off, you no problem, you pop Unholy Blight and use no runes. Therefore, you do 0 damage and have a 0 rune cost.

The same situation with Plague Leech.
Your diseases are about to fall off but you don't have a Rime proc. If you PL, you do 1 Howling Blast and 1 Plague Strike, so you have the damage from those attacks with a 2 rune cost. Not optimal.

HOWEVER
If you have a Rime proc and you PL, you cast Howling Blast and Plague Strike at a net 0 rune cost (Free Howling Blast, Death Rune from Plague Leech), with the damage from Plague Strike.
This also applys to Plague Leeching with Outbreak up, you gain 1 Death Rune and deal no direct damage.

SO LET'S COMPARE THE 2 WHEN USED OPTIMALLY.

Unholy Blight - 0 Net Rune Cost, 0 Damage 1.5 Minute CD
Plague Leech with Rime - 0 Net Rune Cost, 1 Plague Strike Worth of Damage - 25 second CD
Plague Leech with Outbreak - Costs No Runes and Gives you a Death Rune - Half an Obliterate worth of damage - 25 second CD

PLAGUE LEECH IS A DPS INCREASE STOP BEING ABSOLUTE SHITLORDS

[Anastacy]

Alright, I'm going to explain to people why Plague Leech is more DPS than Unholy Blight on a single target fight.

Let's run through a situation with UB.
Your diseases are about to fall off, you no problem, you pop Unholy Blight and use no runes. Therefore, you do 0 damage and have a 0 rune cost.

The same situation with Plague Leech.
Your diseases are about to fall off but you don't have a Rime proc. If you PL, you do 1 Howling Blast and 1 Plague Strike, so you have the damage from those attacks with a 2 rune cost. Not optimal.

HOWEVER
If you have a Rime proc and you PL, you cast Howling Blast and Plague Strike at a net 0 rune cost (Free Howling Blast, Death Rune from Plague Leech), with the damage from Plague Strike.
This also applys to Plague Leeching with Outbreak up, you gain 1 Death Rune and deal no direct damage.

SO LET'S COMPARE THE 2 WHEN USED OPTIMALLY.

Unholy Blight - 0 Net Rune Cost, 0 Damage 1.5 Minute CD
Plague Leech with Rime - 0 Net Rune Cost, 1 Plague Strike Worth of Damage - 25 second CD
Plague Leech with Outbreak - Costs No Runes and Gives you a Death Rune - Half an Obliterate worth of damage - 25 second CD

PLAGUE LEECH IS A DPS INCREASE STOP BEING ABSOLUTE SHITLORDS

Rage much?

I dont believe anyone argued it was a DPS loss to use PL. The discussion has always been about when to use it.

So stop calling people shitlords over something thats not even being debated.

[Razorice]

Plague Leech is VERY clunky. sometimes it makes me want to rip my hair out.

[Anastacy]

Something also to consider about PL being clunky...you need a Rime proc AND a set of Runes on CD, in addition to the time on disease.

[Dossou]

It might be clunky that doesn't mean it's hard to use. If you don't have a Rime proc, don't use it. Not hard.

[Morbycakes]

It might be clunky that doesn't mean it's hard to use. If you don't have a Rime proc, don't use it. Not hard.

Actually, it's still a DPS increase to use it even as 2h without a Rime proc as long as you aren't having Rune/GCD capping issues at that moment (Read: You're not if you are playing 2h correctly). With a Rime proc you have the same abilities used. However, you keep that 1 Death Rune. If you don't have a rime proc and instead decide to just not PL, all you use is 1 PS and continue on with your life. If you instead PL, you will gain 1 Death Rune which will be spent immediately on Howling Blast, and then use the normal Unholy Rune you would use otherwise. It's the same thing as reapplying with Plague Strike, but with Howling Blast added in and no net Rune gain, but 1 HB's worth of damage gain.

Your rundown, updated with the missing parameters:

Nothing - 1 Net Rune cost, 1 Plague Strike Worth of Damage
Unholy Blight - 0 Net Rune Cost, 0 Damage 1.5 Minute CD
Plague Leech without Rime or Outbreak - 1 Net Rune cost, 1 Howling Blast and Plague Strike worth of damage - 25 second CD
Plague Leech with Rime - 0 Net Rune Cost, Plague Strike Worth of Damage - 25 second CD
Plague Leech with Outbreak - Costs No Runes and Gives you a Death Rune - Half an Obliterate worth of damage - 25 second CD

Now for DW, the choice is much easier. Just PL every single time to gain a Howling Blast.