Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-11-09 at 05:00 AM.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
I have personal issues with him since he despises Trolls.
Did you play the original warcraft RTS games? The Horde has only very, very recently become about "honor," it's a product of WoW lore trying to make two "good guys" who are still enemies. The Horde had King Llane brutally betrayed and assassinated, enslaved several races, raped and pillaged their way across several worlds, overall did anything in their power to win a war, regardless of cost. You can go look up all the twisted stuff the old warlocks like Ner'zhul and Gul'dan did with complete approval of the Warchief.
People seem to have no knowledge of the real Horde, or they just forgot. Victory or death means one thing, and one thing only. The Horde is about nothing more than conquest. No one in the true Horde cares about honor, helping people, or any of that other Alliance-themed garbage. The very recent picture of the Horde we have received via WoW and the end of Warcraft III is a result of Thrall, one warchief in the line of many. Thrall's new age and extremely weak Horde is just another page in the book of Orc history.
Garrosh seemed to be Blizzard's attempt to show us what the Horde is all about. As we can see in many Cataclysm quests, he was actually a pretty solid Warchief for some time. It seems that the player base doesn't want the Horde to be Horde anymore, not since they watered it down and made it so Alliance, so they gave up and turned him into a raid boss - their cop out for any failed lore projects.
"Lets give the players a REAL Warchief!"
"Oh wait they still hate him..."
"I know! Sha corruption, it wasn't our fault! Raid boss time!"
Last edited by Lysah; 2012-11-09 at 05:07 AM.
What kind of biased poll is this ?
I want the option :
He is one of the worst orc that ever made his appearance in wow and should die like the scum he is.
You're confusing the New Horde with the Old Horde. The Old Horde was a fel-driven machine of death, destruction and conquest. The New Horde is a minority faction of people trying to get by in the face of overwhelming odds.
Edit: And then Garrosh came around and ruined it for everyone.
What the
Pretty sure I did that. While Garrosh was taking a swim after ordering away his close air support in an area under siege by a rogue dragonflight to take potshots at Alliance ships that were there to fight the same enemy.
Because that was a great idea. However conflict in Ashenvale was raging even back when Thrall was Warchief so I don't even see how he can take credit for that. Garrosh's big plan was a push up through Ashenvale to Darkshore, together with a flanking attack from the Shatterspear Trolls (which the Night Elves wiped out). That seems to have run aground.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
People can use demon blood as an excuse all they want, but let's not forget that the old Horde willingly drank it, repeatedly. Grom is still considered a great orc by most people, even people who hate Garrosh, and he drank Mannoroth's blood AGAIN, fully knowing what would happen, in order to beat Cenarius. Thrall probably would've ran off or tried to make peace, Grom did what he had to do to win. That is Horde way.
Thrall is easily the worst thing to happen to the Horde, Doomhammer would be disgusted if he were around to see what it has become.
Pawns of Illidan, had nothing to do with racial cleansing and everything to do with beating one primary enemy.
Interestingly enough, Orc history is full of inter-clan warfare. The fact that Orcs are all one clan now, apparently, is also a very new innovation. The Dragonmaw refusing to join the Horde at first should not have surprised anyone.
Thrall had a man-crush on Grom. Grom was kind of an idiot, all he did in Warcraft III was start a war with the Night Elves nobody needed, drink demon blood invalidating everything Thrall stood for for no good reason, killed a forest demigod who could've been an enormous help against the Legion and then marginally redeemed himself at the end of the Orc campaign by killing one Pit Lord and dying.
Grom was instructed to gather wood, a resource the Horde badly needed. He was completing the mission Thrall sent him on, it was not a war "nobody needed."
And just how likely were the Night Elves gonna uplift the ban on trade with the Horde?
By the time they had their meeting with Hamuel, they didnt think Garrosh was behind it, they knew he was behind it.
And just how friendly do you think they would be when those druids are murdered, again, by "Horde" troops
o, and its a lot more beneficial to actually own said resources than to have to pay for them
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
I would actually love Garrosh as a leader if he wasn't such a hotheaded dumbass.
His tenacity is inspiring, his ferocity unmatched, and he is a warrior true and true...BUT, he let's his temper control his actions and that makes a poor leader. Cairne tried to talk with him, tried to help him see reason in his actions...his response? "YOU SAY MEAN THINGS!!! ME SMASH YOU!!!!" Magatha may have been the one ultimately responsible for Cairne's death, but I will not diminish Garrosh's role as the one who held the axe.
I, for one, will be glad to put him out of my misery.
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Thats not really how it went down.
Cairne didnt go to Org to talk Garrosh out of anything, he went to punish him.
He was pissed the fuck off that his pet-project of re-establishing trade routes was ruined and his good friend was bleeding to death somwhere, and he knew exactly who to vent his anger on
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care to explain a little more? lol
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
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I see garrosh more like a would be ghengis khan or alexander the great
two of the most respected warrior conquerers of all time and two of the most psychopathic bastards of all time but there legacy as great leaders who are more of less worshiped is undoubted
I feel like i keep repeating myself but azeroth is a brutal medieval world
you honestly think chivalry actually existed back in the age of richard III? Honor thats just a romanticized word to romanticize brutal combat
there is nothing honorable about sticking a axe or a sword through someones head
and dont harp on about use of super weapons every country in history has used weapons that would be seen as dishonourable