10 Man Garalon Questions

[Varick99]

Mainly for hunters who have killed Garalon. I've been reading different strats for this fight, but I'm still unsure about a few things and wanted to pick your guys brains if you would be so kind. First let me post our raid comp:

2x Pld tanks
1 Priest(Healer)
1 Druid (Healer)
1 Druid (DPS/Feral)
1 DK (DPS)
1 Shaman (DPS/Enhance)
1 Shaman (DPS/Ele)
1 Warlock
1 Hunter (me/SV)

Now, first thing that probably jumps out is we don't have any (real) cleave DPS, which leaves the DK, Feral Druid and Enhance Shaman for melee on legs. My question is would it be better for me to help on the legs, since my DPS on the run will be better than Warlock/Ele Shaman or should I focus on the body. I'm thinking after the first 3 or 4 legs to just stay on the body, but I'm not sure there will be enough DPS for the legs.

We managed to get the kill tonight, but we literally had 2 seconds left before enrage, so we're looking to clean it up a bit. I'm just not sure having just 3 melee non-cleave DPS on the legs will be enough, but I also wonder how much DPS I'm losing chasing after the legs the entire fight. Would it be better to have one of the other ranged help with legs, or am I the best alternative?

We have our 2 healers and 2 tanks switching out the pheromones, leaving the DPS with just worrying about killing the boss. Looking for any tips or advice.

Also, how do you guys generally start off on the pull? Do you have your pet attack the legs or do you park him on the body full time?

[dzidek]

Clue for hunters for this fight: "Just stay away from the legs after the first 4"

[Deleted]

well what we do, is we have the fire mage, a shadow priest and myself kite the boss in turns. the rest of the fight I am just on Garalon himself. The 100% damage buff does not apply to our pets. since we have an OP rogue who is able to do 170k on this fight the legs tend to die very fast so with the tight enrage timer, its beneficial to have me just on the boss himself. u should be able to do 70-80k dps on the boss himself even with kiting (assuming 463 bow because the only time bow dropped i was freaking sat out grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, rant over). IF ur group is able to have a max of two legs up at all times, id say go on the boss.

[Essenji]

What confuses me about this is why you have your healers and tanks doing the kiting? How do you take the cleaves then? :S

What we do (which gives us a lot of room for error) is that we 1-tank it and have a holy paladin taking the cleave. You should have your pet parked on the boss at all times, since he doesn't get the buff. You yourself could go in for a couple of shots if you feel it absolutely necessary, but I would suggest against it.

We start the pull by having one of our ranged face the boss alone to make sure that person gets the pheromones. Then we switch it out every 15 stacks or so to another ranged in a cycle of 4. We do have a rogue which helps a bunch, but a multi-dotter class proves almost as useful. Your group seems to be lacking both multi-dotting and cleaving, which is probably why you're having so much trouble.

[Windthorn]

We had our tanks kite and then me as our third. Was actually a great way to do as the tanks could mitigate alot of the damage with well timed cd rotation and take their stacks to well over 30.

[Varick99]

What confuses me about this is why you have your healers and tanks doing the kiting? How do you take the cleaves then? :S

Our tanks stand just enough in range of the cleaves while kiting. Our Feral Druid starts the pull, switches off with one of the tanks, then goes in to dps the legs.

Having a rogue would make things much easier, but we don't have one. My main question was, since we dont have a rogue/war cleave and the other range we have aren't very well suited for dps on the legs, should I step in to help on the legs, or is it better dps overall just to focus on the boss.

[Windthorn]

Warlock should be owning that fight tbh and also the ele shaman should do pretty well.

[Varick99]

We had our tanks kite and then me as our third. Was actually a great way to do as the tanks could mitigate alot of the damage with well timed cd rotation and take their stacks to well over 30.

30 stacks?! How in the world do you heal the raid with that much ticking damage? After 22-23 stacks, the raid wide damage starts to get insane.

[Windthorn]

30 stacks?! How in the world do you heal the raid with that much ticking damage? After 22-23 stacks, the raid wide damage starts to get insane.

With amazing healers. We have a monk/resto druid and holy priest heal.

[eschatological]

Your best DPS is the DK if he's frost. If your feral is good he can probably keep rips up on multiple legs, but it'd be hard for him to spread it tot he body as well. Enhance....well, I can't imagine enhance being good for this fight.

I wouldn't be on legs in your comp. If anyone wanted to be on legs as non-melee, I'd make your lock go affliction. If he just puts corruption up on all the legs, he'll have higher shard generation, which will lead to better DPS on the body. He may already be doing that without him counting himself as "being on the legs" but yeah. As SV you can roll SrS on legs, I guess.

[silverfilly]

With amazing healers. We have a monk/resto druid and holy priest heal.

Sounds like you are gimping yourselves. A monk and other healer can 2-heal the fight just fine - why throw a third in at all?

The lesson here is that there are many ways to do this fight. With the cleave fix, that is no longer an option. As a hunter, I was actually trying out dpsing each leg when it came up but saving all procs for when I was next to the leg and I was doing over 80k dps sustained as surv and was only a couple % behind our cleaving warrior who was doing 120k dps. Our less-skilled hunter was maxing at 66k and couldn't seem to figure out how to increase his dps.

The first week, we had 2 heals, 2 tanks. We kept the stacks 15-20 and kited with the tanks and 1 healer and 1 dps who healed himself when he kited. The monk healer ranked #1 US on WoL and kept the raid up himself.

Without a monk this week, we are 2% behind the enrage. We will probably try having only melee on legs or maybe me as well since I seem to have figured out how to effectively do that role. Problem is, the hunter that was doing 66k was not exceeding that regardless of his spec or what he was dpsing. Normally, he's much more than that.

[Malvision]

Recommend 0 tanks, 3heals, and stay on Boss after 4 legs down and let the cleavers handle it. GG

[Faladrath]

Sounds like you are gimping yourselves. A monk and other healer can 2-heal the fight just fine - why throw a third in at all?

The lesson here is that there are many ways to do this fight. With the cleave fix, that is no longer an option. As a hunter, I was actually trying out dpsing each leg when it came up but saving all procs for when I was next to the leg and I was doing over 80k dps sustained as surv and was only a couple % behind our cleaving warrior who was doing 120k dps. Our less-skilled hunter was maxing at 66k and couldn't seem to figure out how to increase his dps.

The first week, we had 2 heals, 2 tanks. We kept the stacks 15-20 and kited with the tanks and 1 healer and 1 dps who healed himself when he kited. The monk healer ranked #1 US on WoL and kept the raid up himself.

Without a monk this week, we are 2% behind the enrage. We will probably try having only melee on legs or maybe me as well since I seem to have figured out how to effectively do that role. Problem is, the hunter that was doing 66k was not exceeding that regardless of his spec or what he was dpsing. Normally, he's much more than that.

Not sure if you could possibly sound more high on yourself but yeah, instead of mocking your fellow hunter, I suggest you try to tell him what he can do to improve more not " I'm imba, he is "less skilled" maxing out at 66k means more or less he did't do legs efficently which is an easy fix, no "massive skill" requierd.

and to the person saying they pulled 30 stacks on every trade over, bs xD Just look at the scaleing of it..

[Windthorn]

Tanks can easily take that number of stacks and we traded well into the last 25+ each time, never had a problem with it tbh so stop calling out us as BS please. Infact you can see the logs for yourself if you don't believe. Each of us took 2 rounds of the pheromones and the stack total was 77 for one tank, 65 (25 and 35 stacks - as we were close to the kill I just carried on kiting) for me and 65 for the other tank - you do the maths

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=8543&e=8961

Please don't dismiss what people say just because you don't believe it yourself. Its totally healable and possble and the logs show it so.

[Faladrath]

Tanks can easily take that number of stacks and we traded well into the last 25+ each time, never had a problem with it tbh so stop calling out us as BS please. Infact you can see the logs for yourself if you don't believe. Each of us took 2 rounds of the pheromones and the stack total was 77 for one tank, 65 (25 and 35 stacks - as we were close to the kill I just carried on kiting) for me and 65 for the other tank - you do the maths

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=8543&e=8961

Please don't dismiss what people say just because you don't believe it yourself. Its totally healable and possble and the logs show it so.

I stand corrected, nor is your healers amazing as only the resto druid got a low rank so totally a viable tactic,I was hasty in my bs call.
Just a small remark dont say you never had a problem with it tbh as this log is your only kill after 25 wipes of which only 5 took you into enrage aka dps issue, so I'm guessing you had some issues like most others with healing/sorting tactics/ppl failing, like the rest.

[aarjun]

I stand corrected, nor is your healers amazing as only the resto druid got a low rank so totally a viable tactic,I was hasty in my bs call.
Just a small remark dont say you never had a problem with it tbh as this log is your only kill after 25 wipes of which only 5 took you into enrage aka dps issue, so I'm guessing you had some issues like most others with healing/sorting tactics/ppl failing, like the rest.

You can't judge healing based on ranks on WoL.

[Faladrath]

You can't judge healing based on ranks on WoL.

And why not? on a static AoE dmg taken fight as this even more.

[eschatological]

They were also taking less crushes due to more infrequent pheremone swaps.

[Windthorn]

I stand corrected, nor is your healers amazing as only the resto druid got a low rank so totally a viable tactic,I was hasty in my bs call.
Just a small remark dont say you never had a problem with it tbh as this log is your only kill after 25 wipes of which only 5 took you into enrage aka dps issue, so I'm guessing you had some issues like most others with healing/sorting tactics/ppl failing, like the rest.

Wipes were to silly mistakes mainly, like standing in the purple circle or a dc, tactic was solid, but our cleavers weren't doing as much Dps as we'd wish they could do, myself included probably could have done more but I stayed out of the legs to allow the cleavers to Dps them - that's before they hot fixed it.

[Pieterman]

Spend less time on killing legs. Only one leg has to die every 30 seconds since this is it's respawn timer. Helped us alot.