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  1. #301
    Hi everyone. i have been reading this thread for a while now & i came to realize i'm in great need of help with my paladin.
    Currently i'm pulling sad numbers & most of the times last on the damage meters something i'm not really used to.


    Here is the link to my armory!

    Thanx in advanced
    /Aountrio
    Last edited by Krekko; 2013-04-25 at 05:11 PM.

  2. #302
    Character link
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...wrath/advanced

    some recent logs
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/yqdeuuyeqwj41u2k
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/1twbh94aw3xcmqlw
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/e07qp4zmmqhu8xyx
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/747yhlbapm12ag6r

    I posted earlier but have not gotten feedback as of yet. I believe my gems/enchants/reforges are about spot on. The issue is where am i going wrong? I am wracking my head trying to figure it out, given I am not getting trixed or anything I think i am doing things right, but it FEELS like I am not. Any input/suggestions would be appreciated, I hate performing lower than I should, and I think I should be doing better, hence why I am here hoping some other rets might see something I am just missing.

    I am just using needtoknow to track trinket icds.
    Last edited by buddhaprime; 2013-05-06 at 03:49 PM. Reason: link was not working

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhaprime View Post
    Character link
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...wrath/advanced

    some recent logs
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/yqdeuuyeqwj41u2k
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/1twbh94aw3xcmqlw
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/e07qp4zmmqhu8xyx
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/747yhlbapm12ag6r

    I posted earlier but have not gotten feedback as of yet. I believe my gems/enchants/reforges are about spot on. The issue is where am i going wrong? I am wracking my head trying to figure it out, given I am not getting trixed or anything I think i am doing things right, but it FEELS like I am not. Any input/suggestions would be appreciated, I hate performing lower than I should, and I think I should be doing better, hence why I am here hoping some other rets might see something I am just missing.

    I am just using needtoknow to track trinket icds.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...hawrath/simple His link seems broken for me.
    They tell stories, they tell stories of lepricorns and dragons, witches, wizards, trolls and dungeons. Fantasies and mysteries you proclaim,
    the real world is a lot scarier and there's always a price to pay.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Aountrio View Post
    Hi everyone. i have been reading this thread for a while now & i came to realize i'm in great need of help with my paladin.
    Currently i'm pulling sad numbers & most of the times last on the damage meters something i'm not really used to.


    Here is the link to my armory!

    Thanx in advanced
    /Aountrio
    Your gear is perfectly fine, its like 99.9% of the way to perfect, definitely a play issue if your dps is low. Try posting logs if you want us to look at what you're doing.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-05 at 07:16 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    1. gems are WAY off, should not have pure str gems at all
    It hardly makes a difference, yeah pure str gems arent ideal but its only going to change overall dps by a fraction of a %

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    only use Selfless healer when you have 3 stacks and are low on health
    Use selfless healer for awesome heals to save raid members. Being ret isnt about personal dps performance, if you don't bring utility you might as well not be there

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    ..Hand of Purity or Clemency[/INDENT]
    [INDENT=2]* with the buff to Hand of Purity i tend to use it for most fights
    Hand of Purity is completely useless on almost every fight and actually IS a dps loss because purity takes a GCD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    if you want to max your dps you should drop JC (the weakest profession) and pick up Engineering ASAP!
    - line up Synapse Springs with every Execution Sentence (both have a 1min cd) and just laugh at the dmg it does!
    You will get more of a dps increase by playing a little bit better than you could possibly get by changing professions (which is a laughably small increase). I hate when people give recommendations like this, people are going around thinking they're going to see a big dps increase when they get 2 more ilvls or some more haste, or switch professions, when it just isn't the case. I love engineering and definitely recommend it to anyone pushing heroic progression, but it's the last step I'd take if I was already doing outstanding dps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    Double Jeopardy is a must and should be used whenever possible here is a helpful macro
    Your info for DJ is useful but if we're talking about someone working on getting good at paladin, double jeopardy is definitely something that comes in later. You dont want to put too much on someone's plate when they're learning a spec. DJ is a dps increase, no doubt, but worrying about DJ could easily mess someone up and they end up doing less dps anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    - Glyph of Harsh Words is good for range heavy hights
    As far as I know, its almost always better to just wait another second till you can get into range - harsh words' damage is pretty bad. I could be wrong about that, havent looked into it much


    Quote Originally Posted by Paintpauller View Post
    9. i did not go over her rotation from WoL, if you think there is something off there then just look around on this forum and you should be able to find some good rotations
    Its not about not knowing the rotation, its about knowing what you're doing wrong. Anyone can google 'ret rotation' but its hard sometimes to figure out why dps might be low. I don't mean to be a total dilweed about half of the stuff you said, but it frustrates me when this thread becomes about gear. Even if you're completely reforged wrong you can still do "enough" dps just by playing correctly. If you are struggling to play correctly, no amount of gear or glyph changes will fix that.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-05 at 07:22 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Arganaut View Post
    Spark of Zandalar feels slightly underwhelming. It might be me.
    Is there anyway to measure just how much DPS a trinket gives you over any particular encounter?
    i know Recount cannot
    It is theoretically mathable but not really worth it - simcraft says spark is good, that's about the best info we have right now. I personally hate spark, but oh well
    Last edited by dennisdkramer; 2013-05-05 at 11:20 AM. Reason: some stuff already pointed out

  5. #305
    I don't really understand why you seem to have a personal grudge with paintpuller, but some of what he said is right. Strength sucks for ret, gem haste. You can do whatever you want with your selfless healer procs: it's part of a personal play style. Hand of Purity is the single most useful hand at the moment. I use it on almost every fight. It's awesome. Lightning storm in HJinrok, putting it on people who get blazing sunlight or that shitty bleed on HHorridon, biting cold on HCouncil, tank breaths on HMegarea, eating slime pools on HJikun, the list goes on. You'd be amazed how much the 70% reduction works on, and if it doesn't a 10% shield wall is pretty damn good.

    Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)
    Begging us to buff is sometimes easier than trying to beat the boss.(Source)

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by dennisdkramer View Post
    snip
    I'll make this real quick.
    -He should stop using pure strength gems except if he's using the special JC-only ones.
    -Not every raid has bad healers.
    -Hand of Purity is better than you know.
    -Skill + profession is better than just skill.
    -You can never do "enough" DPS as ret right now unless you're just better than everyone else in your guild. There's a reason we're getting buffed in 5.3.

  7. #307
    Hi thanks for the reply i'll try post a log

    I hope you can pin point what am i doing wrong.

    (currently unable to post links till i post a few more times).
    Last edited by Aountrio; 2013-05-06 at 12:08 PM.

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    I don't really understand why you seem to have a personal grudge with paintpuller, but some of what he said is right. Strength sucks for ret, gem haste. You can do whatever you want with your selfless healer procs: it's part of a personal play style. Hand of Purity is the single most useful hand at the moment. I use it on almost every fight. It's awesome. Lightning storm in HJinrok, putting it on people who get blazing sunlight or that shitty bleed on HHorridon, biting cold on HCouncil, tank breaths on HMegarea, eating slime pools on HJikun, the list goes on. You'd be amazed how much the 70% reduction works on, and if it doesn't a 10% shield wall is pretty damn good.
    I have nothing against paintpuller, had no idea who he was until I read that post.

    Strength doesnt 'suck' for ret, its a miniscule difference between gemming str vs str+haste in a red socket. Yeah you SHOULD gem haste but we're not talking about cutting-edge progression nor close to it.

    Of course you can do whatever you want with SH procs, but never using it to save someone kind of defeats the purpose of the talent. Yeah hand of purity is great when you need it but why would you suggest the importance of a utility spell like that while simultaneously saying to ignore the benefit of healing others on selfless healer.. Surviving lightning storm as a melee is so easy I didn't even consider purity there, blazing sunlight ticks for hardly anything, the bleed on horridon ticks for hardly anything, and you don't need to ever eat a pool on heroic Ji-kun. Haven't done H Council or magaera though I have heard that biting cold is intense. If the 70% reduction doesnt work, the 10% *would* be okay... except it takes a GCD so its actually garbage. I havent done the math and could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident that Unbreakable spirit is going to do more meaningful damage mitigation than purity on almost every fight (especially if its spiky magic damage) and not cost you any dps.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-09 at 12:27 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    I'll make this real quick.
    -He should stop using pure strength gems except if he's using the special JC-only ones.
    -Not every raid has bad healers.
    -Hand of Purity is better than you know.
    -Skill + profession is better than just skill.
    -You can never do "enough" DPS as ret right now unless you're just better than everyone else in your guild. There's a reason we're getting buffed in 5.3.
    - Ret's ability to save someone from spike damage with SH has nothing to do with healers being bad, and in either case, if your healers are good then you don't need Hand of Purity either.
    - No, it isnt, its exactly as good as I know because I know exactly what it does
    - You can do "enough" dps for the level of progression you're on. If you want to push out that last 2% I absolutely respect that, but it takes practice and personal skill, you can't just go onto a forum and expect them to fix your gems and all of a sudden you're doing better dps.

  9. #309
    -I don't think you know what you're talking about on a lot of these points. The Bleeds/Blazing sunlight on HHorridon do hurt quite a bit(even moreso in progression). Hand of Purity DOES work on the perodic damage component of Biting Cold. Why would you not eat a pool on Ji-Kun? The more pools you eat, the more the damage buff gives you. It's a DPS increase...and if I can't soak them, I'm giving them to our blood DK who IS soaking them. I'd say I choose HoP over either talent for 90% of fights. So what if it takes a GCD. If tanks die, or targets that need a CD that have a DoT on them die, it's probably a wipe.

    -Do whatever you want with your SH procs, idgaf.

    -Gemming/enchanting/gearing correctly AND understanding why it is correct are the first steps to becoming a better player.

    Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)
    Begging us to buff is sometimes easier than trying to beat the boss.(Source)

  10. #310
    I'm trying to tighten up my beginning CD rotation and just wondering what other ret's are doing.

    I swapped to engineering and have the Ji-Kun trinket, so i'm thinking of going Exo -> 1 hp inq -> AW+GOAK -> regular rotation til 10 stacks of mighty -> activate synapse and ES -> regular rotation. This seems perfect since Ji-Kun's procs at the beginning and 20 seconds in, you activate synapse and you have 10 seconds of synapse with the leftover AW and GOAK.

    My rotation used to be 4pt11 GOAK at pull then swap back, then regular rotation til i have 3 HP, then inq -> AW -> regular rotation til 10 stacks of mighty -> ES -> regular rotation.
    Last edited by Forgrim1; 2013-05-12 at 04:14 AM.

  11. #311
    They broke the t11 prepull last patch anyways.

    Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)
    Begging us to buff is sometimes easier than trying to beat the boss.(Source)

  12. #312
    Another quick question:

    Thunderforged Lei Shen axe or Heroic Sword from Council?

  13. #313
    Sword With higher ilvl, thus higher wpdps, beats always. U Will get over hit capped but thats something to live with

  14. #314
    I am looking for some more experienced ret players who min max to help me with my rotation.
    I feel like I'm under performing compared to other rets on wol.

    This is my current rotation, based off simcraft and elitistjerks.

    Inq <=3 seconds
    Tv/ds 5hp
    es/lh
    hotr at 7 targets, simmed better for my gear in simcraft
    how
    exo
    judgment aw or <=20 health
    tv/ds 3-4hp with aw or <=20 health
    cs/hotr
    tv/ds 3-4hp
    judgment

    Cooldowns usage, I am running holy avenger right now.
    I pop goak wait 10 seconds then pop aw/ha gloves then execution sentence

    I was reading that I should prioritize how over es/lh, but I was wondering what others thought.

    My numbers, 260k burst with prepot
    Seems low compared to other rets
    513 ilvl, trinkets: shadopan/lfr horridon, t15 2p bonus

    edit: some boss numbers from this week

    195k jin
    202k horridon
    151k council
    200k tortos
    115k meg
    haven't gotten farther in normal =/

  15. #315
    Can you link any logs?

    Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)
    Begging us to buff is sometimes easier than trying to beat the boss.(Source)

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by Revvo View Post
    Can you link any logs?
    I don't have any logs, I can get some next week.

  17. #317
    need some advice about my gear and dps too .
    Armory : http://us.battle.net/wow/pt/characte...ectralz/simple

    Ilvl 514, always at bottom dps , basic rotation >
    Inquisition Maintain buff.
    Templars Verdict with 5 Holy Power.
    Hammer Of Wrath when target is below 20% Health or with Avenging Wrath.
    Exorcism to build Holy Power.
    Crusader Strike to build Holy Power.
    Judgment to build Holy Power.
    Templars Verdict with 3 Holy Power.


    About Gear: I Have Chest LFR ( 502 ILVL ) , and Shoulder ( 496 ) t14, i would replace chest and shoulder, for 2piece bonus t14 and t15? Huge loss of strenght / haste =[
    Last edited by Spectral1; 2013-05-16 at 03:50 AM.

  18. #318

    [Ret] What is our paladin doing wrong?

    The Ret Pally in our 10 man guild seems to be doing sub par DPS. Maybe its just my imagination and everything is fine. Maybe she is doing everything right and its a gear thing. I just don't know enough about the class to be of any use. Below are links to our two most recent raids and her armory profile. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/olrhbzbgrv34md9u/
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/owawrlnbkng57dtm/
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...arletts/simple

  19. #319
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    The Ret Pally in our 10 man guild seems to be doing sub par DPS. Maybe its just my imagination and everything is fine. Maybe she is doing everything right and its a gear thing. I just don't know enough about the class to be of any use. Below are links to our two most recent raids and her armory profile. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/olrhbzbgrv34md9u/
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/owawrlnbkng57dtm/
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...arletts/simple
    Looking at the Tortos kill in the first log.... the Inq up time is awful. It's at 37%. You want 98-99%. That's a huge, huge thing.
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  20. #320
    Re Fayolynn:
    Just after a quick glance: Under expertise cap. Inq uptime way too low like Jaling said. Should be using HoTR+DS over CS+TV on council and multi-dotting censure if the bosses are grouped up (should be outside of ranged spreading when marlii is empowered). On jin'rokh didnt use execution sentence at all and use of cs seems low. Hammer of wrath usage definitely lower than it should be. Not waiting until pools to use cooldowns. Would also recommend using Sanctified Wrath as a level 75 talent, but lots of stuff to work on here. Haste is a little on the low side but that will come with more gear. Missing a JC gem. I recommend finding a similar length parse on WOL along with a group using a similarly geared ret who is doing more damage and using Comparebot(google it can't post links yet) to evaluate ability usage, cooldown uptime etc side by side.

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