[Prot] Fix my Tanking!

[judgementofantonidas]

I have no real idea of what I'm doing but here goes.

I went for softcap of hit and exp and then stacked mastery.

What I don't really have an idea of is just how better it would be to get the hardcap for expertise and sacrifice a huge amount of mastery to get there.

Also what trinkets? Not counting the two I have equipped I have Brewmaster trinkets (the dodge one and one of the pure stamina ones) and Heart of fire (mastery and on use dodge)

Can't post links but my char is Shippai on EU Grim Batol

hit to 7.5, extpertise to 15, haste to 30%, mastery at 20% for 50% physical mitigation, do not gem stam as your gear provides enough for regular raid encounters.

---------- Post added 2013-01-15 at 10:03 AM ----------

what 2 trinkets would u guys use out of the 3 options i have

http://www.wowhead.com/item=81181/heart-of-fire
http://www.wowhead.com/item=81243
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86790

the vial doesnt really seem like an upgrade to me, am I wrong?

The only trinket worth wearing is the dragon blood with mastery reforged into haste or expertise depending on where you are at your gearing.

---------- Post added 2013-01-15 at 10:05 AM ----------

are u messing with mew or is it really alot better?

feel free to armory me or for that matter fraggoji the pally tank in Dream Paragon. No, I am not messing with you.

---------- Post added 2013-01-15 at 10:11 AM ----------

Ok is haste or mastery better for tanking. I tank ten mans for my guild i lean to haste. my RL said he saw mastery is better than haste for raiding. here is my armory link. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nleaves/simple he said since mastery is a steady avoidance it was better. i know my hit and exp caps are a little off atm. but i would love some advice on it. atm next week i'm going mastery to see if healers have an easier time healing me unless i am told to lead to haste.

your raid leader is behind the times.

haste allows for an extra tic of sacred shield at each 10% plateau. with careful aplication of your sacred shield at high vengeance levels it is one of the best tools in our arsenal.

[MerinPally]

haste allows for an extra tic of sacred shield at each 10% plateau. with careful aplication of your sacred shield at high vengeance levels it is one of the best tools in our arsenal.

And on top of all this our dps soars, the healing on ourselves through SoI soars, the healing by Battle Healer glyph soars. Haste provides a vast array of secondary benefits if you state that damage smoothing is the first which it is, and mastery gives none of these other than if you're a drooling idiot and can't push a button within a reasonable finishing of the GCD, you won't get mashed as badly as if you were haste.

[Korie]

Right, so I'll be starting to progress on Lei Shi heroic 25man tonight and I need advice! Looking at the fight it is pure magical damage, exept for the add spawns(which will die pretty quickly), how should I gem, enchant reforge ect, since Lei Shi is pure magical damage our mastery is pretty useless.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lderi/advanced

I'd love a reply from someone who has actually killed the boss on 25man.

[Deleted]

Right, so I'll be starting to progress on Lei Shi heroic 25man tonight and I need advice! Looking at the fight it is pure magical damage, exept for the add spawns(which will die pretty quickly), how should I gem, enchant reforge ect, since Lei Shi is pure magical damage our mastery is pretty useless.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lderi/advanced

I'd love a reply from someone who has actually killed the boss on 25man.

Stamina > Haste > rest

[Promdates]

After leveling my alt paladin for tanking as well, I was comparing mine vs our other paladin tank's uptimes. What's a good uptime % on SotR?

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

After leveling my alt paladin for tanking as well, I was comparing mine vs our other paladin tank's uptimes. What's a good uptime % on SotR?

You should be able to get between 40 and 50% uptime. I generally get around 45-46% uptime, I managed 51% at Will of the Emperor this evening.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...etzie/advanced

[Tanyn]

It's also spell haste that affects our SS, correct? It's a bit different than the melee haste.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

It's also spell haste that affects our SS, correct? It's a bit different than the melee haste.

Yes. Spell Haste. 10%, 30%, 50% and every 20% thereafter.

[Deleted]

Stamina > Haste > rest

I said this in another thread and he ignored me.

[MerinPally]

I said this in another thread and he ignored me.

All will be ok in the end. There'll be a point where if it's asked enough times it'll end up painted on the walls and the question will be met by people saying "it's ovur der lul" even by people who have no idea what they're doing and only got here because they spelt the URL of their favourite porn site incorrectly.

[Deleted]

All will be ok in the end. There'll be a point where if it's asked enough times it'll end up painted on the walls and the question will be met by people saying "it's ovur der lul" even by people who have no idea what they're doing and only got here because they spelt the URL of their favourite porn site incorrectly.

mmo-pornion? I liek.

[MerinPally]

mmo-pornion? I liek.

Now you've said that I'm scared of meeting someone from mmochampion on Chatroulette (it may as well be classed as porn). As typical students it's great to ambush as a group on that abomination when drunk.

Anyway back on topic before mods get upset D:

[Malthanis]

Anyway back on topic before mods get upset D:

GRRRR!! ANGER!!! BANHAMMER AND SUCH!!!

Now that I've satisfied that requirement, if anybody would like to look over my profile really quick? Going for the haste build at the moment, and I'm also stuck in the LFR casino and having no luck.

Logs will maybe be posted if I can ever remember to start WoL when raiding.

[Deleted]

GRRRR!! ANGER!!! BANHAMMER AND SUCH!!!

Now that I've satisfied that requirement, if anybody would like to look over my profile really quick? Going for the haste build at the moment, and I'm also stuck in the LFR casino and having no luck.

Logs will maybe be posted if I can ever remember to start WoL when raiding.

You're in Ret gear and I'm quite scared to critique you incase you land the banhammer on anyone who defies your word.

[Shippai]

GRRRR!! ANGER!!! BANHAMMER AND SUCH!!!

Now that I've satisfied that requirement, if anybody would like to look over my profile really quick? Going for the haste build at the moment, and I'm also stuck in the LFR casino and having no luck.

Logs will maybe be posted if I can ever remember to start WoL when raiding.

Well one could start with enchanting his gear that's not been enchanted yet.
You are also having stamina enchanted on boots and gloves, while that's okay I would personally go haste on boots and haste/mastery on gloves seeing as you get all the stamina you need from your gear without the enchants. Or if you don't want to lose your hp pool then do the enchants and get a haste/stamina gem for your helm. You will "earn" 130stamina and 185haste... Actually do that. That sounds awesome.

Also Blinding light glyph is almost useless in raids, get divine protection.
Edit* Oh and you might consider HA instead of DP for your 75 talentpoint. It's awesome especially in fights where you don't actively tank for the entire time (Gara'jal, Elegon, Blade Lord, Ambershaper, Empress, Tsulong, Sha of fear and might be forgetting someone) because it acts like a really powerful both offensive and defensive CD what with 20~second of sotr up and all

[Malthanis]

You're in Ret gear and I'm quite scared to critique you incase you land the banhammer on anyone who defies your word.

You posted just as I was logging in to fix that. I had to spend time fixing my link first, as I've just switched realms and had to rename my character slightly.

Also: IT WASN'T ME I SWEAR!

Well one could start with enchanting his gear that's not been enchanted yet.
You are also having stamina enchanted on boots and gloves, while that's okay I would personally go haste on boots and haste/mastery on gloves seeing as you get all the stamina you need from your gear without the enchants. Or if you don't want to lose your hp pool then do the enchants and get a haste/stamina gem for your helm. You will "earn" 130stamina and 185haste... Actually do that. That sounds awesome.

I've basically been neglecting enchants on gear that I know I want to replace. Although, your comment on stamina brings up a good question, and something I need to forward to the AMR team. I've set my stats to have a hard-cap of 30k stamina (a value I feel is a decent stopping point for now), but it's pushing me to 33k.

Also Blinding light glyph is almost useless in raids, get divine protection.

A relic from dealing with being on a PvP server. I needed to keep as much hard CC on a target as possible to either get away or to fight effectively. I'm not a huge fan of the DP glyph, really, but I can give it a test run or two this week.

Edit* Oh and you might consider HA instead of DP for your 75 talentpoint. It's awesome especially in fights where you don't actively tank for the entire time (Gara'jal, Elegon, Blade Lord, Ambershaper, Empress, Tsulong, Sha of fear and might be forgetting someone) because it acts like a really powerful both offensive and defensive CD what with 20~second of sotr up and all

Another thing I've been meaning to do that as well. The guild kind of fell apart due to a massive server imbalance (about 5:1 in the Horde's favor), so people dropped off until we could get moved to a PvE server. Now that everything's back on track and rolling again, I'll have to sort that out (which was the point of posting here in the first place).

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@Modthanis

Well, as others said, enchants.
I personally prefer haste or gloves and boots.
I would also get the ghost iron dragonling with haste, exp and hit over your blue trinket.

I usually don't like to comment on talents and glyphs since people can change them around alot and often a reason a person have a specific talent. But seeing as others did it.
It is my personal opinion to have LaoTL as Tier 1 talent and SW as Tier 5 talent. Replace holy prism with anything, it is garbage unless you are doing challenge modes.

Also just feel like while your reforging and gemming is on par, I feel like you have way to many "protection" pieces. You should work on replacing those tier pieces, boots, belt and ring(that one will be hard since it has high item level).

Remember to do sha and LFR in ret spec.

[Tanyn]

Anyone know how much haste rating is needed for 30% and 50% spell haste with all raid buffs?

Also, would hitting the 30% and then going for mastery be ideal? Or would it still be better to go for haste considering the dps/heals increase?

(I assume the extra haste would still be worthwhile, but I figured I would check.)

[Shippai]

A relic from dealing with being on a PvP server. I needed to keep as much hard CC on a target as possible to either get away or to fight effectively. I'm not a huge fan of the DP glyph, really, but I can give it a test run or two this week.

Understandable. It's not for every fight. Just for those fights with heavy physical damage and low magic where it will reduce your damage intake by a fair bit seeing how it's only a 1m CD before Unbreakable Spirit.
I usually switch it with Final Wrath or something on fights like Elegon and Lei-shi.

[Ticktac]

Anyone know how much haste rating is needed for 30% and 50% spell haste with all raid buffs?

Also, would hitting the 30% and then going for mastery be ideal? Or would it still be better to go for haste considering the dps/heals increase?

(I assume the extra haste would still be worthwhile, but I figured I would check.)

Here is a link to SacredDuty.Net Thecks Blog. He has a write-up concerning haste breakpoints. If you can't get the answer here no one knows.

http://sacredduty.net/2012/11/21/has...for-tankadins/