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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Rather, he's worried that a 15 cent increase in the cost of pizza will deter customers. I think this is entirely unfounded. He doesn't.
    im with you laize. hell, make it a full quarter, if that makes a difference on whether you buy a pizza or not then you probably have issues, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    You realize business's are going to be paying more in taxes? Its hard not to mix them together when its the cause.
    If a business cannot adapt to new economic conditions (And guess what, at some point along the line taxes are going to need to be overall increased no matter what, if the US wants to get out of its deficit hole), than it will fall out. Its a natural part of owning a business in a dynamic world. Adaptability = survival. How do you think Microsoft got to where it is?

  3. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    If a business cannot adapt to new economic conditions
    Isnt that what he is doing? He explained why pizza's are going to cost more and people dont like it because it goes against their agenda.

  4. #544
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    If a business cannot adapt to new economic conditions (And guess what, at some point along the line taxes are going to need to be overall increased no matter what, if the US wants to get out of its deficit hole), than it will fall out. Its a natural part of owning a business in a dynamic world. Adaptability = survival. How do you think Microsoft got to where it is?
    He is adapting.

    You just disagree with how he is doing it.

  5. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by chadwix View Post
    Isnt that what he is doing? He explained why pizza's are going to cost more and people dont like it because it goes against their agenda.
    I bet you most people don't give a rats ass if the pizza costs 10-15 cents more...

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    I bet you most people don't give a rats ass if the pizza costs 10-15 cents more...
    Doesn't matter, demand will certainly be lower due to a 10 cent higher price. The question is: How much?

  7. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by Purlina View Post
    I bet you most people don't give a rats ass if the pizza costs 10-15 cents more...
    id be shocked if it affected ANYBODY'S decision on whether or not to get a pizza

  8. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    id be shocked if it affected ANYBODY'S decision on whether or not to get a pizza
    It does.

    Taken from individuals and a small sample size, it wouldn't show it.

    But across over all America in the span of a year or so, there will be a measurable lowered demand.

  9. #549
    1. Papa "john" is a d-bag by himself. You should read up on him if you havent.
    2. Papa Johns is the only pizza sold at NFL games now. He is making boatloads of money.

    Boycott that pos

  10. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    Doesn't matter, demand will certainly be lower due to a 10 cent higher price. The question is: How much?
    Food costs in general have gone through the roof (even before the election & not all even remotely connected to health care), so if the price is ONLY increasing by 10 cents, while rival products are doubling or tripling... its far from 'certain' that demand will be lower.

    Remember that even among their direct rivals, they will be reacting to the same cost increases "from Obama's re-election", so that doesn't affect them negatively at all.

    Heck, even the 50 cent candybars from a year or so back are going for a buck now. thats a heck of a lot more of an increase then 10 cents on a $10 pizza.

  11. #551
    Quote Originally Posted by Riidii View Post
    It does.

    Taken from individuals and a small sample size, it wouldn't show it.

    But across over all America in the span of a year or so, there will be a measurable lowered demand.
    id have to see it to believe it. most people wouldnt stop to pick a dime, let alone hesitate to spend one on something they wanted. if it was a relevant amount i could see it, but that amount is simply nothing

    as it is, business has been decreased by my orders. voting with my dollar, just as all the free market types keep suggesting

  12. #552
    Quote Originally Posted by skatblast View Post
    1. Papa "john" is a d-bag by himself. You should read up on him if you havent.
    2. Papa Johns is the only pizza sold at NFL games now. He is making boatloads of money.

    Boycott that pos
    He has infiltrated our schools too. My niece eats papa johns at school on fridays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    Doesn't matter, demand will certainly be lower due to a 10 cent higher price. The question is: How much?
    What would be your best estimate?

    What do you think effects demand more? A ten cent price increase on a pizza, or political posturing because your butthurt that Obama won?

    All he had to do was come out and say, Papa Johns is raising the price of their pizza by ten cents. We are doing this to comply with the new health care mandate, and we think its a great that all our employees will finally have access to basic healthcare.

    Instead of boycotting, people would be supporting his business.

    Has this guy ever heard of public relations before...
    It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by Riidii View Post
    It does.

    Taken from individuals and a small sample size, it wouldn't show it.

    But across over all America in the span of a year or so, there will be a measurable lowered demand.
    I find it very hard to believe price and demand are perfectly elastic.

    Everyone has a price they determine to be "a small change". This is how Farmville and the Apple App Store rake in cash hand over fist. People don't consider their apps to cost a lot of money even though they objectively cost between 8 and 35x as much as this papa johns pizza increase.

    I don't think a 15 cent price increase will harm their model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    Food costs in general have gone through the roof (even before the election & not all even remotely connected to health care), so if the price is ONLY increasing by 10 cents, while rival products are doubling or tripling... its far from 'certain' that demand will be lower.

    Remember that even among their direct rivals, they will be reacting to the same cost increases "from Obama's re-election", so that doesn't affect them negatively at all.

    Heck, even the 50 cent candybars from a year or so back are going for a buck now. thats a heck of a lot more of an increase then 10 cents on a $10 pizza.
    We're obviously talking about an extra 10 cent increase in price in addition to any other price increasing factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riidii View Post
    He is adapting.

    You just disagree with how he is doing it.
    Well, if what I saw about the state of the company since that statement is accurate, they chose a horrible way to do it.

  17. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    All he had to do was come out and say, Papa Johns is raising the price of their pizza by ten cents. We are doing this to comply with the new health care mandate, and we think its a great that all our employees will finally have access to basic healthcare.

    Instead of boycotting, people would be supporting his business.

    Has this guy ever heard of public relations before...
    in spite of all of these claims to the contrary, this was never about business. this was a public hissy fit that he didnt get his way. as someone else mentioned, he was most likely going to a walmart style employment model either way, and this was a chance to throw a cheap shot in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I find it very hard to believe price and demand are perfectly elastic.
    What's "perfectly elastic" supposed to mean? Ideally, businessmen raise their prices until 1% increase in prices result in 1% drop in demand (price elasticity of -1).

    Either way, an increase in prices will lower demand, the question as I said is: how much? More or less than 1%? I think it's an insult to his intelligence to think that his price elasticity is above -1 (between -1 and 0), and that ACA forcing him to raise prices will actually increase his profits.
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  19. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Well, if what I saw about the state of the company since that statement is accurate, they chose a horrible way to do it.
    I think they'll be fine.

    Like I said, others will come out and say similar things. Maybe more subtly though.

    He was just the first. So all the hate goes on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    What's "perfectly elastic" supposed to mean? Ideally, businessmen raise their prices until 1% increase in prices result in 1% drop in demand (price elasticity of -1). Either way, an increase in prices will lower demand, the question as I said is: how much?
    I imagine the relationship is exponential.

    But yes, however small it may be, it will exist.

    There is no minimum threshold or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riidii View Post
    I think they'll be fine.

    Like I said, others will come out and say similar things. Maybe more subtly though.

    He was just the first. So all the hate goes on him
    It was the lack of subtlety that made it a poor decision. If both Papa Johns and Dominos are forced to let employees go to maintain costs, and Papa Johns makes a huge announcement out of it while Dominoes does it quietly, than between the two Papa Johns will suffer since public perception is a large part of competing in a free market. If you have to do something unpopular, do it more quietly than the person next to you.

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