USA falling apart?

[SirRobin]

Dear professor, I'm sorry I didn't cheat and google. I know you do your part in telling people to become informed. So I suggest you give some credit to people who don't always look up references or wiki every moment of their lives.

Wait, so you complain about people being ignorant, but then complain about someone not being ignorant?

So are you still trying to pin it on Clinton?

[Feardotwin]

Wait, so you complain about people being ignorant, but then complain about someone not being ignorant?

No, you don't get the concept. It's ok to not know everything. But to be completely ignorant to the events or simple logic is NOT right.

[smelltheglove]

Wait, so you complain about people being ignorant, but then complain about someone not being ignorant?

pretty much

[Feardotwin]

Bashing me won't solve anything. But, it seems to make you feel better. You is a general term of previous disagreements towards me. My beliefs and views are not as welcomed here. And that"s fine. Just turbulence on an aircraft. No big deal.

[SirRobin]

No, you don't get the concept. It's ok to not know everything. But to be completely ignorant to the events or simple logic is NOT right.

Reads like your definition of "not knowing everything" and "completely ignorant" are rather nebulous.

[Chrysia]

I'm just curious how it went from Jimmy Carter's fault to Clinton's.

[Feardotwin]

I'm just curious how it went from Jimmy Carter's fault to Clinton's.

Someone of each administration, person or persons. Did something intentionally or unintentionally to contribute to our problems existing today and in the future.

Do I need to explain everything to you guys?

[Tuvok]

You had a grammar error "civilization" as it should be. I respect your view. And it seems like a good one. But, it seems just abit naive. Just like in science, nothing is absolute. The idea that the U.S. won't fall, is too unrealistic. Far in the future it may be different. Or may not. But to say something to be so certain Is fallacy, I'm sorry it's what I believe. As your allowed to believe the way you do.

My good man, which is why I specified by saying "for the forseeable future". Unforeseen circumstances may well lead to the destruction of the west. Don't mistake naivete with passion by the way! I look at humanity on a scale that goes beyond the present and beyond the self, and I envision where humanity will be in a billion to 5 billion years. I see the west as a genuine stepping stone in the progression of our species that cannot be denied. A stepping stone that brought to the world the ideals of freedom and human rights. A very important step on our way to become the best we can possibly be, which is why I openly account for all our mistakes.

The cause of human progression is greater than I am as an individual, as countless billions if not trillions of humans that will eventually span the galaxy and maybe even the universe will live in a way that is dependant on the actions of their predecessors. I call upon others as I endeavour myself to be a part of the progression of mankind rather than the holding back of it, and put that task above the petty needs of the self. There is no way in this life time we will achieve a utopia, but some day we will far in the future. At this moment in time, the best chance humanity has for progression is through the ideals of the west above all else. That is what I believe and I have never came across any knowledge that would make me honestly and objectively think otherwise.

[Chrysia]

Someone of each administration, person or persons. Did something intentionally or unintentionally to contribute to our problems existing today and in the future.

Do I need to explain everything to you guys?

No, you need to cite specific examples, and place the blame for Alan Greenspan on the appropriate President, however.

[SirRobin]

Bashing me won't solve anything. But, it seems to make you feel better. You is a general term of previous disagreements towards me. My beliefs and views are not as welcomed here. And that"s fine. Just turbulence on an aircraft. No big deal.

So we go from being hypocritical slash ignorant for not knowing things, like Greenspan being Clinton's treasurer, to bashing you because he actually wasn't? Whether your views are welcome or not. Actually being able to back them up with something like credible sources would probably help your claims hold up to at least a cursory examination.

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I'm just curious how it went from Jimmy Carter's fault to Clinton's.

Because neither of them were republicans?

[ranku]

Smoking pot is illegal too.... yet 2 states just passed laws.. your point is invalid.

funny thing is that federal law outlaws pot and therefore outlaws states making those votes into law, so your point is invalid.

but on a side note i find it funny (weird kind) that there are two petitions on that page for south carolina

[aztr0]

This sounds oddly familiar.... oh wait, is this part of the WoW is dying threads?

[conscript]

You had a grammar error "civilization" as it should be. I respect your view. And it seems like a good one. But, it seems just abit naive. Just like in science, nothing is absolute. The idea that the U.S. won't fall, is too unrealistic. Far in the future it may be different. Or may not. But to say something to be so certain Is fallacy, I'm sorry it's what I believe. As your allowed to believe the way you do.

This is some of the most hypocritical nonsense I have ever seen. You call people on facts claiming the economy started failing under Clinton thanks to Greenspan who was actually appointed by Reagan, telling them to get informed while you yourself are massively incorrect. You deflect that with "I'm sorry if you thought I was wrong, people still need to get informed" completely ignoring you are the one spouting rhetoric and false statements. Now your criticize this guys grammar? Firstly, you have no concept of sentence structure. Secondly, civilisation is a perfectly acceptable term depending on where you live just like honour, armour, etc.

[apepi]

If I had a nickel every time that someone thought the us was falling apart I would have $2.6875.

[kage]

Smoking pot is illegal too.... yet 2 states just passed laws.. your point is invalid.

Unlike pot smoking the country can and has gone to war over states seceding.

[tiporispit]

It fell apart the day FDR took office. He was socialist swine.

[Feardotwin]

I have reached out and apologized to my criticism on the matter at hand. However, I believe intelligence should be based on the knowledge absorbed through learning. Not through a reference recall. In this "information age" knowledge is abundant but is it true individual knowledge?

Logic will remain logic, even in complex forms.

Anyone else wish to poke and prod me?

And no I'm not trolling. I welcome valid arguments.

[SirRobin]

Logic will remain logic, even in complex forms.

Just as logic can be flawed.

Anyone else wish to poke and prod me?

And no I'm not trolling. I welcome valid arguments.

Did you have anything in particular that you wanted to whip out?

[Feardotwin]

Just as logic can be flawed.



Did you have anything in particular that you wanted to whip out?

Nope, to discuss and reason with all viewpoints is a good thing. But, to shut down or attempt too. A person for certain ideals is wrong.

I attempt to be the least hippocritical of all. But, people will have their own beliefs and attempt to spin topics into chaos.

It is childish and nothing new. I welcome new perspectives and also maturity.

I forget to mention that everything in a way regardless how it is viewed outside/inside this thread or in the USA is effected somehow.

[SirRobin]

Well back to the original post then I guess.

The Texas petition reads as follows:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

As of 12:46 am, Sunday, signatures obtained by Louisiana, 7,358; Texas, 3,771; Florida, 636; Georgia, 475; Alabama, 834; North Carolina, 792; Kentucky, 467; Mississippi, 475; Indiana, 449; North Dakota, 162; Montana, 440; Colorado, 324; Oregon, 328; New Jersey, 301 and New York, 169. Many more States are expected to follow.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

So with Obama's victory, people had enough sh17, since they're expecting things to go down hill even more.
US is falling apart.

Your thoughts?

There are a number of problems with this petition's claims.

1. The United states does not actually suffer economic difficulties stemming from etc, etc, etc... The U.S. suffers economic difficulties because its political leadership has been suckered time and time again into thinking something will help when it actually does more harm than good. Two examples being outsourcing slash offshoring and the repeal of Glass-Steagall.
   
   
2. Citizens do not suffer blatant abuses. Is the one who wrote this seriously attempting to call the National Defense Authorization Act an abuse of citizen rights? Seriously? The Transportation Security Administration is a blatant abuse of citizen rights? Which right? The right to be killed by terrorists? When I read this part the first thing that popped into my mind was that someone must not want to have to worry about being indefinitely detained when the TSA catches them trying to bring handguns and grenades on to a plane.
   
   
3. Texas fails to actually "maintain a balanced budget." Previously using federal stimulus money, and now gimmicks, to "balance" that budget.
   
   
4. Texas leaving the Union would not secure its citizens' standard of living. If anything it would put them at even greater risk given the withdrawal of all the support provided by federal agencies and programs, like Medicaid, Social Security, etc, etc... Not to mention that federal laws, like antitrust, would naturally not apply to a now foreign nation.
   
   
5. Since the United States Supreme Court is the official interpreter, so to speak, of our founding fathers' ideas and beliefs as passed down to us through the constitution. I don't see how separating themselves from the that body's oversight would in any way actually secure their rights or liberties. If anything it would put their rights and liberties in greater jeopardy.

Given those points I think its safe to conclude that instead of, "people had enough sh17." The one who wrote that petition is actually full of "sh17."