Do you know what worry me the most? is that when the new raids came out, and new Valor gear is available, they may put that gear into those rep requirements, and if you don't have that rep you are screwed.
Imaging you didn't do any daily's.
You went to 5 man HC and profs gear to go raid. You now have raid gear you never touched daily's.
New patch gets here with new raid and new Valor gear.
New Valor gear has rep requirements ´
You have unlucky drops in raid.
you are now screwed because you haven't touched daily's.
This is scary
Bad - This is a bad player, he refuses to learn how to play correctly.
Casual - This is a player that will let everything else take priority over wow.
Hardcore - This is a player that is fine with putting things on hold while he's on wow.
Bad/Good - Measure of Skill.
Casual/Hardcore - Measure of Time
Considering OP has said that his aim was to discuss the social implications of dailies I'll answer from my PoV.
I disagree that it harms guildies. Quite a bit quicker to team up with a few guildies, jump into TS/vent/skype/mumble/etc., have some laughs whilst getting the dailies done. I probably spend more time doing stuff in game with my guildies than I did before.
I tend to find people complaining about being forced to do dailies are not bright enough to actually look and see what the alternatives are, they would rather spend their time complaining rather than doing. You can get honored valor gear without doing a single daily while leveling up and you can get into raids without valor gear. You can raid without doing a single daily. You can get valor in heroic dungeons(80/40) and lfr (90 each!). You can do everything in the game except coins without doing a single daily. Once you unlock all the lfr you can get 6 lfr for 90 valor each (540 valor in one day, not counting any heroic dungeons you may do.) and you will have a 15% chance on every boss for 17 bosses (Sha of hatred included)to get LFR loot each week which is almost a gauranteed 2-3 pieces a week. Thats not even counting the world boss in 4 winds.
Tabards rep grinds never made sense, you get rep for wild hammer while helping neptulon at the bottom of the ocean just for wearing a wild hammer jersey? You get loot, rep, valor and justice points all in one place and you never have to experience the game, just sit in a capital city and que up? Then you sit there and cry that you have nothing to do?
I would prefer to have too much to do that I can't play all my alts than having nothing to do forcing me to play 4 alts to keep busy for 1 week.
Completionists will continue doing Shado-Pan, Golden Lotus, Nat Pagle, etc. LONG after they hit exalted as there are a bunch of achievements you can get while doing dailies in those factions and you won't likely get them all before you hit exalted. If that is not your thing, though, nobody is forcing you to do that.
I don't mind doing 2 or 3 factions of dailies per day, and it takes me less than an hour, but I'm only doing them now in the quest for exalted, mounts, achievements, etc. Revered was reached quite a while ago. Also, while flying out to and doing Shado-Pan/Klaxxi area I usually kill 1 or 2 rare elites for bing bing bing: free bags of goods=profit.
My only gripe is the space for storing my Lesser Coins...I have over 1,000 and that's taking up 6 bank slots...looking forward to currency status on those in 5.1 Mind you I've been turning in the 90 coin quest item every week and still have all those extras.
so let me guess ud rather do dailies every day for those charms if u wanted them, i could earn them in other ways in the same amount of time with sanarios and dungeons while i'm chasing achievements. so there's more than possible way to earn them m8
also depending on the factions you chose to do its not 45 mins
ok so if my math is correct 90/7=14
so going with that what faction/factions has the the least time taken to get 14 baring in mind that i think the golden lotus dailies are mindnubing?
Last edited by thunderdragon2; 2012-11-15 at 07:51 PM.
I really don't get the complains about dailies,
To me, having to grinding in an MMO... In WoW or whatever is natural...
- you have to grind mats for pots/flasks/enchants/professions etc or just gold to get it...
- you have to grind XP to level up
- You have to grind Honor for PVP gear
- You have to grind Conquest Points for PVP gear
- You have to grind rep for factions
- You have to grind valor for PVE gear
- You have to grind dungeons for heroic rare gear
- You have to grind dailies for coins
- You have to grind Raids for EPICs
Face it... An MMO is a way to consume your time, doing the same thing over and over just to get some pixels...
Grinding is and has always been in the essence of an MMO... And everything is optional... you can or not do it...
Just because at some point in time they made the bad decision of removing rep grind from the game doesn't mean it has to stay forever...
I understand that ppl would like a button to push that would get them a 90 toon fully epic with gold and all the items in the game in bank...
But where's the fun of it? If you don't work for stuff what's the point in having it?
It's like playing a game with invulnerability or god mode? what's the fun?
This is the worst post I've seen in here...
Its funny how ppl complain about grinding dailies as if grinding was a new thing in this (and) similar games. Just shows how casual and free loot wow was for the last 2 expansions... PPl just got too used to AH farming and not actually playing the game...
TBH, I think its not enough... I'm already exalted with all factions and it wasn't even that hard... did most of them with 3 friends an they were kinda fun, mostly since I'm on a PVP server... Kinda miss more the old factions where you had to grind them for ages... and there was something different about someone who grinded that stuff... now nearly everyone has those damm exalted mounts...
Last edited by elderamy; 2012-11-15 at 07:53 PM.
You can do your Tiller dailies and a pair of Golden Lotus dailies in 30 minutes tops.
They're a REWARD (read once again - REWARD) for putting in extra effort in the game.
If you aren't putting in that extra effort, you don't deserve your reward.
Hey, remember when I dropped my keys and you thought the phone was ringing?
you dont need the rep grind if your are raiding, though the upgrades might help
capping valor w/o dailies or formal raiding:
4x LFR = 360 pts
7x daily heroic = 560 pts
2x daily scenario = 80 pts
= 1000 pts.
If you want, do one or two factions worth of dailies each day/week/whenever you feel like it, in place of daily heroics or scenarios. Since you can only earn 1000 valor pts a week, and items cost either 1250 or 2250 valor pts, you're going to have to do dailies for multiple weeks anyway. Valor items are meant to take TIME and EFFORT. Everyone here complaining about dailies just sounds like they want free epics.
Oh yeah, social aspect ruined? What? Ask general chat for a group, instantly get full party and get quests done easily (mainly for Lotus, since they are the most tedious of the bunch).
Netherwing Rep was a GRIND.
Consortium Rep was a GRIND.
Argent Dawn was a GRIND.
Brood of Nozdormu was a GRIND.
Nagrand Horde/Alliance faction Rep was a GRIND.
These new MOP factions are simply rewards for completing dailies over time.
Also, I have over 1200 tokens, and I have been extremely lax about doing dailies. I got Tillers/Anglers/Cloud Serpent to Exalted, along with Klaxxi, and the others are all at Revered. These reps were so incredibly fast because the daily quests are easy and simple. I can skip dailies for the next THREE MONTHS and still have enough to keep burning 3 extra loot coins a week.
Anyone else feel like they have a legitimate complaint, feel free to post and get dismantled by logic.
I would like them to unlock valor gear from rep, but still make coins only available via dailies. That way, I still get a bonus from doing the dailies that others are too lazy to do. Facerolling dungeons is not effort, and is another reason why Blizz hated the tabard system.
Edit: If you are already exalted with everyone, good news! By the time your charms run out, you will have a new set of factions to start.
Would rather that they just remove it than getting those lame tabards again...
Plus 45 mins? its even less... just get 4 more ppl, spam your guild or trade... and they are fast... the 40+ dailies that ppl talk about is just wrong...
For gear wich is ppls complains, you only need 4 factions to revered and you can do 2 at a time... First you do golden lotus and kalaxxi to revered, then shadow pan and A.C. and these last 2 are even faster to do the dailies...
Plus for coins, the dailies give 2 coins so its actually 90/7/2=7 ... 6.4 quests a day... BIG EFFORT
Last edited by elderamy; 2012-11-15 at 08:02 PM.