It is a mess.
My greatest joy on my Mesmer in WvW was dropping Berserkers inside enemy keeps. Now it's all gone. /sadMesmers had Phantasm damage dropped by ~50% as a completely undocumented change, with no boosts elsewhere. We already did less auto attack damage than anyone else, because these were doing their thing beside us, but now?
Zero use in assault in WvW, low damage in PvE. The only DoTs that have a health bar that dries up if someone sneezes on them. All because hey, in sPvP, it's hard to kill one.
Slightly off topic, but is there anywhere I can find a concise list of all the significant class balance changes that have been performed since release?
Mesmer are also a requirement for any organized WvW group. Can that be said about any other class?
From what I've gathered on the GW2 forums the Mesmer situation is even worse than I thought. Apparently there are line of sight bugs with elevated terrain and environmental objects that prevent illusions from spawning properly. Some people have also pointed out that blinds/aegis are now a severe counter to any build that makes use of illusions (that being...all of them?) since it denies initial damage done by illusions, any support effects they would have provided, and their use in shatters.
Also for Eles, the Evasive Arcana "fix" basically gutted Staff bunkers and was pretty harsh on support builds that relied on it. Coupled with the boon duration nerfs...ouch.
Rosethorn Staff is the staff Mrs. Havisham from "Great Expectations" would use if she were a Druid.
And yea this would explain a lot. And I'm sure Izzy from GW1 is one of them which makes this all even worse... GG, e-sports my fuckin ass. Terrible changes all across the board.
Tragic TRAGIC i say
horrible horrible ?Fixes? or what they call it for engineer
I was amused about the few warrior changes, i expected everything else but not a slightly buff.
old video. that was a warr bug: the more players it pearced, the more damage it caused.
They said they fixed it. I am not warr so I do not know if it`s actually fixed. BUt it`s an old video and an old bug.
edit: but yes, warrs actually got another buff this time.....
Here's a crazy thought, don't discuss PvP balance if you don't know what PvP balance is. Hot-join does not count.
In tournaments, the current meta is to stack as much AoE and bunkers as possible. Single target spike, such as BS thief, 100B warrior, shatter mesmer, ect. is far far less useful because of the nature of the combat. The risk vs reward for spiking isn't worth it most of the time, since the coordinated spike is super easy to avoid with one CD.
What did this patch accomplish? It nerfed Elementalist bunkers to the ground so they're no longer disgustingly overpowered. It nerfed svanir runes so they're no longer exploitable. It nerfed guardian bunker healing, bugs, and protection uptime.
What else? It nerfed AoE. It increased the CD on ranger traps. It reduced the damage of engineer grenades. It dramatically reduced the AoE 10k+ burst of dancing dagger, and nerfed cluster bomb. Well necros are really the only thing to emerge unscathed, but that's mostly because power wells is only a recent build.
Thief burst is not overpowered. It's not hard to avoid, and it's not hard to punish. They have zero toughness and 14k health. Literally just use a knockdown or immobilize and glance at them. Don't blame game balance for your own faults. Guess what, no one is complaining about warriors anymore ever since people learned to dodge. Why did everyone suddenly forget this applies to more than just a single class?
Want to know something else? "Hurts balanced builds even more"? The only viable balanced builds are support or condition builds, and only because they don't have to rely on three offensive stats like direct damage. Even these condi builds are getting phased out in favor of Rapid or Carrion. There's nothing to hurt.
Last edited by Larynx; 2012-11-16 at 07:07 PM.
Because there's only one "real PvP", apparently. If you're doing hotjoin or WvW you should simply expect things to all be broken.Curious. Why doesn't hotjoin count if it is also sPVP?
Honestly, I've found tournament PvP to be a bit of a joke anyway. Like he said, so much focus on these bunker builds and such because it's so easy to cheese the capture point mechanics in this game.
Illusionary Berserker has not received a direct damage decrease. Instead, is seems that the damage reduction you (and I) are seeing is most likely associated this fix:
“Fixed a bug that caused many piercing, boomerang, and bouncing projectiles (those that hit more than 1 target) to continually increase in damage the more targets they hit.”
We are aware that this particular phantasm is now experiencing a significant drop in damage and are looking at getting it back to a more effective state.
Thanks for keeping the post civil and constructive!
Who is John Galt?
It would be like changing the rules of pro football because some teenager got hurt while not even wearing appropriate equipment.
Last edited by openair; 2012-11-17 at 02:52 AM.
I am still curious why the gameplay of sPVP "doesn't count" by virtue of joining a random game.
That's just like personal circumstance.
Last edited by Fencers; 2012-11-17 at 03:38 AM.
@Larynx yes ele bunker needed nerf because they were retardedly OP and unkillable but I run with my guild mates the most of my tpvp and to say condition is the only balanced build viable is complete bullshit. I've been running a balanced BS since a bit after people started learning to use utilities against glass cannon. Oh and to say glass cannon isn't viable in tpvp is also bullshit. We always have a burst thief on hand whether it's me or a friend, you'd be surprised what you can accomplish with shadow step and rfi not to mention shadow refuge which admitedly is pretty useless against decent players who know to autoattack through it the entire time.
I can run glass and as long as I run with an ele supporter when he throws down a water AoE I can heal a group to full while doing massive dps. This is part of why cluster got nerfed. I know DD was powerful but only on glass cannon and it received no compensation for the nerf, no mechanci like -50% damage per hit, no -1 initiative cost, no increased distance, just plain fucking nerfed into the ground.
ANet are balancing purely around glass cannons and bunkers because they're tards, shouldn't even call it balancing more like favoring. Now it's even more evident that we need to run either bunker or glass. There is no more inbetween for thieves. Believe it or not, DD and C&D was a big part damage of balanced. The only condition option for thieves is unicorn or share venom which are both stupid as shit and easily countered.
Venom share is the only real strong option because everyone around you can reapply obviously.. raw damage is the meta, not condition/