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  1. #521
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    Im not sure how the US system works, but isnt there a statue of limitations?
    Eitherway, She was a child when she made that terrible accusation. Im not absolving her of blame, nor am i saying she shouldnt be punished. I believe the people who gave the go ahead of this case should be fired, sue'd and then for the daughter.

    I think she should be ordered to carry out 9 years of restorative work, assisting falsely accused rape victims and male victims of domestic abuse. And also recieve counselling as to why she ruined a her fathers life, THEN she can see if they want to salvage anything of the tatters thats left of there relationship.

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    Why not? If they can prove you knowingly lied on the stand, they should be able to charge the shit out of you imo.
    You know why we have a statute of limitations right?
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  3. #523
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    And if someone actually had been raped, and your actions do nothing but further damage the victim, what then? Its one of the reasons why rape cases are so tricky from a legal standpoint. And even going beyond that, what if her emotional state was such that she misses minor details due to the traumatic nature of the event? A skilled and aggressive lawyer can easily trip up the story of an emotionally compromised individual, even if the story is true, by hitting the trivialities.

    Also, while I don't exactly like discussing the matter, its possible to rape someone without damaging her genitalia.
    So my question to you then, are you interested in 'justice' or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haarvald View Post
    So my question to you then, are you interested in 'justice' or not?
    If she is charged for harming her father, it is vengeance. If she is charged for breaking the law, it is justice. While this statement could not hold up against strict critical scrutiny as justice vs vengeance and oversimplifies the matter, in this specific incident it rings true.
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    And if someone actually had been raped, and your actions do nothing but further damage the victim, what then? Its one of the reasons why rape cases are so tricky from a legal standpoint. And even going beyond that, what if her emotional state was such that she misses minor details due to the traumatic nature of the event? A skilled and aggressive lawyer can easily trip up the story of an emotionally compromised individual, even if the story is true, by hitting the trivialities.

    Also, while I don't exactly like discussing the matter, its possible to rape someone without damaging her genitalia.
    A grown man cannot rape an underdeveloped child without damaging the hymen, unless it was a form of molestation not involving sex. A serious matter shouldn't be approached gently on one side and not the other. If they won't prosecutable evidence then such examination should be done. They don't need to be cruel when doing so, but they should be thorough. If the police did thorough questioning on more than one occasion it wouldn't make it to court for the lawyer to trip people up. If the evidence is sufficient, then it shouldn't matter what the lawyer does, even despite their career based on spinning bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    So you don't think anyone should be held accountable for this extreme miscarriage of justice? You think it's simply alright that the guy is out now?
    Anyone involved in the prosecution of this case should be investigated. It was they who dropped the ball and they are the ones who owe this man restitution for losing 9 years of his life.

    A question to the "crucify her" crowd: What is an appropriate punishment for an 11 year old little girl who lies about being raped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haarvald View Post
    instead of protecting the criminal (the daughter).
    She would have had to have committed a crime to be a criminal.

    As she was too young to be sworn in, she didn't commit perjury.

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    Can you back that statement up somehow? Actually curious to see where you've got that information from.
    There was a link in the same post you quoted. Those statistics are not controversial and are not in question. Several organizations, both government and private report the same percentages. Research for yourself if you don't believe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aalyy View Post
    Anyone involved in the prosecution of this case should be investigated. It was they who dropped the ball and they are the ones who owe this man restitution for losing 9 years of his life.

    A question to the "crucify her" crowd: What is an appropriate punishment for an 11 year old little girl who lies about being raped?
    What is the appropriate punishment for locking someone in a cage for 9 years and telling everyone in the cage with him that he's a child rapist', when he's not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coombs View Post
    A grown man cannot rape an underdeveloped child without damaging the hymen, unless it was a form of molestation not involving sex. A serious matter shouldn't be approached gently on one side and not the other. If they won't prosecutable evidence then such examination should be done. They don't need to be cruel when doing so, but they should be thorough. If the police did thorough questioning on more than one occasion it wouldn't make it to court for the lawyer to trip people up. If the evidence is sufficient, then it shouldn't matter what the lawyer does, even despite their career based on spinning bullshit.
    Than you underestimate lawyers, especially in situations where trivialities can make or break a case. As for your first statement, sexual matters are not allowed on these forums..... but no, there are other ways that someone can be raped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aalyy View Post
    Anyone involved in the prosecution of this case should be investigated. It was they who dropped the ball and they are the ones who owe this man restitution for losing 9 years of his life.

    A question to the "crucify her" crowd: What is an appropriate punishment for an 11 year old little girl who lies about being raped?
    When she's old enough to attend juvenile hall, then there until 18 if the father was prosecuted and it was caught earlier. If it was found that she lied prior to that, then it should be a family issue, but the family (not the victims side) should have to pay for the investigation time and resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    If she is charged for harming her father, it is vengeance. If she is charged for breaking the law, it is justice. While this statement could not hold up against strict critical scrutiny as justice vs vengeance and oversimplifies the matter, in this specific incident it rings true.
    Maybe I'm a little slow, I've read this several times and cant see where you've actually said if you are interested in 'justice' in this case or not, BUT, given your previous answer that nothing should happen to her, and you just saying that 'if she is charged for breaking the law, its justice'.. nm... I'm not going to draw a conclusion from what you've said, or from your not answering the question... I'll just scratch my head on this for now.

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    This case is odd. No kit? No DNA tests? Nothing besides the 'I said he did it' for the jury to mull over? This doesn't seem to add up. It's a very messy case and I don't think we have any better details ATM to fully judge what is going on.


    Some comments in this thread are more fucked up than the article tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Than you underestimate lawyers, especially in situations where trivialities can make or break a case. As for your first statement, sexual matters are not allowed on these forums..... but no, there are other ways that someone can be raped.
    My point exactly. Facts should make or break a case, not someone's silver tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haarvald View Post
    Maybe I'm a little slow, I've read this several times and cant see where you've actually said if you are interested in 'justice' in this case or not, BUT, given your previous answer that nothing should happen to her, and you just saying that 'if she is charged for breaking the law, its justice'.. nm... I'm not going to draw a conclusion from what you've said, or from your not answering the question... I'll just scratch my head on this for now.
    Do you think that she should be charged for causing her father to be put in jail? Your answer (probably): yes.

    Second question: What specific law is there for "I made him go to jail on false rape allegations?" What specific law did she violate?
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    She would have had to have committed a crime to be a criminal.

    As she was too young to be sworn in, she didn't commit perjury.
    I'd have to disagree with you there, you dont know if she was sworn in or not, meaning you cant exonerate her of perjury. and I'll redirect you to the OP and suggest you actually READ it where it SAID quite clearly that she admitted to lying about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coombs View Post
    My point exactly. Facts should make or break a case, not someone's silver tongue.
    Than there is much you have yet to learn about the current legal system.

    The institution of a system where someone maintaining their exact story is necessary to prevent being charged with perjury is exactly what makes effective lawyers so potent.
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Do you think that she should be charged for causing her father to be put in jail? Your answer (probably): yes.

    Second question: What specific law is there for "I made him go to jail on false rape allegations?" What specific law did she violate?
    Now you are being intentionally obstinate... but thats okay, you appear to know plenty about the law, and if you are willing to carefully craft your 2nd question as you did then you know damn well what laws are in play here and I'm not going to hold your hand thru a trip thru Black's and point out every little thing for you.

    I'll answer you as nebulously and vague as you... If thru malice, coaching from a 3rd party, or any other reason she made false statements that lead to the charging and/or conviction of another that deprived them of their liberty, and/or property, and placed them in dangerous situations for extended periods of time, then they should have to answer for that.

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    You know if you can't even tell him what law you're accusing her of breaking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haarvald View Post
    Now you are being intentionally obstinate... but thats okay, you appear to know plenty about the law, and if you are willing to carefully craft your 2nd question as you did then you know damn well what laws are in play here and I'm not going to hold your hand thru a trip thru Black's and point out every little thing for you.

    I'll answer you as nebulously and vague as you... If thru malice, coaching from a 3rd party, or any other reason she made false statements that lead to the charging and/or conviction of another that deprived them of their liberty, and/or property, and placed them in dangerous situations for extended periods of time, then they should have to answer for that.
    What specific law is that? Name of the law.

    You said you didn't understand my point so I'm walking you through it from start to finish.
    “…the whole trouble lies here. In words, words. Each one of us has within him a whole world of things, each man of us his own special world. And how can we ever come to an understanding if I put in the words I utter the sense and value of things as I see them; while you who listen to me must inevitably translate them according to the conception of things each one of you has within himself. We think we understand each other, but we never really do.”
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