[Fire] 5.1 Combustion

[announced]

Sorry but mages are a bit over the top atm.. way out of line compared to other classes again.

their back to more RNGness-- as stated below sometimes u can get lucky witha 214k combustion. sometimes u can only scrape by with a 30k or 40k one.. it happens... the fact that some people get lucky does not qualify as being out of line.

[Abraxis]

I don't feel that there was a hard push. I think just the skill cap decreased significantly, so that there are many many more able to do big combustions. But the difference from what was possible prepatch to now isn't that big.

[spaace]

Just wait until we hit our haste plateau next tier, and start gunning for mastery

[Deleted]

Mages are where they're supposed to be. Or is anyone suggesting that a puny hybrid should compete with us?

Joking of course.

I can almost feel the nerfbat on my head, so I'm really trying not to enjoy myself too much with 100k ignites.

[Ivalen]

If they're talking about regular >50k (the value when you hover the combustion icon)- then they're full of it or in the middle of some special buff sequence on a boss. It's not consistent at all, even worse with 5.1.

These kind of threads always turn in to comparing dick size.

[Deleted]

that is wrong. a 214k combustion is not possible on normal fights.
if done right you get at least 4 pyros every altertime+combustion. this results in ~70k-130k combustions. (depending on gear and crits)

30-40k combustion = bad gear or wrong playstyle


overall mages are too strong. but its funny

[elpadrino293]

that is wrong. a 214k combustion is not possible on normal fights.
if done right you get at least 4 pyros every altertime+combustion. this results in ~70k-130k combustions. (depending on gear and crits)

30-40k combustion = bad gear or wrong playstyle


overall mages are too strong. but its funny

combustion critting for 214k is quite possible on normal fights.

[Deleted]

nobody was talking about crits. but yes ~300k crits are possible.

[Arghh151]

that is wrong. a 214k combustion is not possible on normal fights.
if done right you get at least 4 pyros every altertime+combustion. this results in ~70k-130k combustions. (depending on gear and crits)

30-40k combustion = bad gear or wrong playstyle


overall mages are too strong. but its funny

How is 'at least 70k' considered normal? I have an ilvl of 487, this gives me 16.95% mastery, with about 29% crit. My Pyroblast critting can give around 205k to 240k depending on buffs, so lets say 225k average

Pyro 16.94% Ignite Tick
225000 38115 19057.5
225000 38115 19057.5
225000 38115 19057.5
225000 38115 19057.5

So even if All 4 crit and I time it perfectly, its a 76,230 combustion

Granted, I am not taking into account procs, pre-pots and such. Buy you are noting like 70k is a baseline with 100k (avg of your 70-130k) as normal. All these people saying that 50k combustions are low, and that 100k is the norm just don't seem to make much sense.

Maybe I am missing something...

[Arghh151]

that is wrong. a 214k combustion is not possible on normal fights.
if done right you get at least 4 pyros every altertime+combustion. this results in ~70k-130k combustions. (depending on gear and crits)

30-40k combustion = bad gear or wrong playstyle


overall mages are too strong. but its funny

How is 'at least 70k' considered normal? I have an ilvl of 487, this gives me 16.95% mastery, with about 29% crit. My Pyroblast critting can give around 205k to 240k depending on buffs, so lets say 225k average

Pyro 16.94% Ignite Tick
225000 38115 19057.5
225000 38115 19057.5
225000 38115 19057.5
225000 38115 19057.5

So even if All 4 crit and I time it perfectly, its a 76,230 combustion (19057.5 * 4). Yeah, I know I am not doing each tick's breakout.

Granted, I am not taking into account procs, pre-pots and such. Buy you are noting like 70k is a baseline with 100k (avg of your 70-130k) as normal. All these people saying that 50k combustions are low, and that 100k is the norm just don't seem to make much sense.

Maybe I am missing something...

[JohnnyQuest]

If they're talking about regular >50k (the value when you hover the combustion icon)- then they're full of it

Go and browse any normal mode log on WoL and you'll see plenty of >50k Combustions pre and post patch. >50k Combustions are not rare.

[Maged]

that is wrong. a 214k combustion is not possible on normal fights.
if done right you get at least 4 pyros every altertime+combustion. this results in ~70k-130k combustions. (depending on gear and crits)

30-40k combustion = bad gear or wrong playstyle


overall mages are too strong. but its funny

I see now that although I said it was on Elegon, I neglected to mention that it was during the final burn phase with all the damage multipliers. So it was a 214k combust, critting to ~450k
But on a normal fight, no a 200k combust isn't easy to get. The highest I got on a normal fight without anything special was 150k and that was with 7 chain pyro crits. A once in a lifetime feat, sadly ;(

[spaace]

When all your procs are up... that is LOTS of bonus dmg for fire mages.. align your combustion with a good set of crits, and you're laughing.

[Deleted]

If they're talking about regular >50k (the value when you hover the combustion icon)- then they're full of it or in the middle of some special buff sequence on a boss. It's not consistent at all, even worse with 5.1.

These kind of threads always turn in to comparing dick size.

Or, you're just a bad player with bad gear.
@ 482 iLvl with some consistent critting (ie hardcast Fireball and insta-Pyro! with both HS and HU and chaining) while I'm building my Ignite it's not hard to reach 50K and then combust. Today on Stone Guards HC I got a 130K Ignite, Combusted it and spread it *shrug* easy dps.

Fire's going to get nerfed, surprised it wasn't in the hotfixes yesterday (Thursday); having Ignite and Combust working how they are is ridiculously stupid. Considering mages at the end of THIS tier, let alone later tiers, can have 33% crit raid buffed (possibly more, not 100% on itemization) which surmounts to 46.5% crit on Fireball and Pyroblast. Going to love next tier if they don't fix this.

[Arghh151]

that is wrong. a 214k combustion is not possible on normal fights.
if done right you get at least 4 pyros every altertime+combustion. this results in ~70k-130k combustions. (depending on gear and crits)

30-40k combustion = bad gear or wrong playstyle


overall mages are too strong. but its funny

I am not sure how people are saying 70k is easy or average.. Lets say your Pyroblast is critting for 250k on average, and you hit 4 in a row (I am assuming 16.94% mastery as that is what I have at iLvl 488 (28.96 crit, 8.64 haste)

Pyro 16.94% Ignite Running
250000 42350 21175
250000 42350 21175 42350
250000 42350 21175 63525
250000 42350 21175 84700

Even with this 'best case' 4 crits in a row, you are getting a 85k ignite (very nice). BUT this is a perfect case. More likely you are coming in around 40-55k. Either everyone's pyro's are hitting for much much higher then mine, my mastery is too low or I am just missing something.. or I just don't crit 4 time in a row with Pyro as my combustions aren't nearly 70k+ average on a normal non +dmg debuffed boss.

[Bondey]

Thought id contribute to discussion with some pretty decent combustions on last nights heroic garalon attempts. Combustions where made off the body then cleaved onto legs, FYI.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...912185733.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...912220915.jpg/

[mrgreenthump]

Yerr its a tad bit silly atm, even at 488 ilevel today.. I did a 4,15 million damage combustion on pull, which is like 97k ticks and my dps peaked at 899717.1, given the dps number is for Garalon, but still over 4 million combustion on the body is kinda nuts..

[Kagecamia]

their back to more RNGness-- as stated below sometimes u can get lucky witha 214k combustion. sometimes u can only scrape by with a 30k or 40k one.. it happens... the fact that some people get lucky does not qualify as being out of line.

If it was truly RNG like many people have stated, i bet the mages who ranked on WoL must have been really lucky. :/

The rankings look very similar to DS where fire dominated most of the fights, if not all of them.

[dropthe]

This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how are you guys hitting combusts for over 50k? On average, mine are 25-30k and my top was right about 50k. I am very much doing things wrong. I always make sure I have the invocation damage buff up before I use it and yet, mine are still tiny compared to what I am hearing here.

Without mousing over the ignite dot on the target (to see what it's ticking for) what are the signs of a good time to use combustion? Also, my armory link is in my signature if that helps.

Any help the community could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Use an addon like CombustionHelper or myBigIgnite. Use alter time and on low movement fights PoM Instant Pyros to stack big ignites.

[Kagecamia]

It was suppossed to compensate for the pyro nerf that never made it in. I think mages like Lhivera noted that they may have over compensated.

What is truly disappointing and disheartening, is seeing how this makes the rift between mage damage and everyone else's damage bigger.

How can we non mages honestly compete?