Warlocks defending this are like warriors who were defending 5 stacks of TfB
Warlocks defending this are like warriors who were defending 5 stacks of TfB
But back to the point. If Demonology doesn't get compensation for a Chaos Wave nerf, seeing as it needs more ramp-up than any other spec, then it will become underpowered. Why do I have to wait a minute in order to output the same burst as a Warrior that can just pop all of his cooldowns instantly? Also, don't forget that a lot of a warlock's utility is tied to his resource, unlike many other specs.
Chaos Wave is fine. My teammate got critted for 220k through 60.47% resilience.
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I can use the same "be good at the game and x won't happen" argument but sensibly, watch: no good warlock that knows his class well will ever pop their CW 1 shot unless a) they know they can force cds that are longer than their own, ergo 2 minutes, or b) they know they are very likely to get a kill. If they do it's a wasted and they either suck or made a mistake for whatever reason. I don't really understand why you'd mention stuff like grounding, cloak and spell reflects when they don't work against CW, which I believe is something you should by now know seeing as it's very likely you play a warlock else you wouldn't be in denial and vehemently defending them. This is why you obviously want to force shorter cds like PvP trinkets, astral shift, dispersion, deterrence and the likes before you pop it and only worry about getting the longer ones out of the way, such as bubble, SLT (which is more of a curse than it is a gift when the class killing you is AoEing your whole team), etc. This is how you win games at decent ratings and is obvious to everyone, it's one of the most basic things you learn when you try to PvP seriously and I'll get to it later again.
Surely there are other spells and classes that need fixing in terms of ginormous burst (mages and warriors, first and foremost), the game right now relies on damage cooldowns (and defensives accordingly) to a pretty pathetic extent. They were always a big part of the meta-game but now, at least at high ratings, no one kills anyone outside of cooldowns; healers don't go oom really, all you do is you pop offensives to force defensives from your opponents and then wait until you eventually kill them through it or they run out. At one point or another he's gonna deep into PoM bomb + CS me when I have no bubble/trinket and I'm dead, or the other guy's going to pop pet stun + CWs when I have no trinket or bubble and I'm dead again. Whatever classes have the strongest (read: dealing the most damage + being the most reliable, where warlocks win by far even over mages and warriors) offensives are the most viable in arena, which is what you can clearly see happening everywhere by just looking at class representation or playing a bunch of games above 2.2k or some rating.
Why do you think BM hunters have basically been obliterated off the face of the earth?
and saying demo has ramp up time is an absolute lie. you can start with chaos waves pretty much right out of the gate and fury takes no effort to generate if you are managing your pets correctly.
what exactly do you do with your fury other then deal damage with it? a destro lock can heal himself with his embers, but a demo lock just deals damage with it. do you require fury to summon health stones? to lay portals? to fear people? to control your pet?
" I need a sec, my wrists hurt from spamming slam so hard. Playing cleave vs cleave is tough stuff guys"
Also, chaos wave costs 120 fury, you need 240 to cast it twice + fury to stay long enough in meta so it lands before you exit meta.
Secondly, we use demonic fury for auras, for doom, for non-burst chaoswaves, for leap and for our knockback.
Not to mention that any warlock that is critting 200k with chaoswave is using grimoire of sacrifice for the +30% damage, so all you have to do is to kill the pet and force a demonic rebirth and after that, you just make him burn through his fury to resummon new pets.
If he's sacrificed his pet before the game started, he's bad and it's your own fault for letting him get fury since with sacrifice up, your fury generation is worthless.
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSCdE...&feature=g-all, I don't see warlocks critting for 93 mil so...
Also, how does +10% healing triple the amount of heals gained? I'd take 15% base damage reduction anytime.
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Although I completely agree with you, you must take into consideration that Demonology's damage outside of Dark Soul is laughable, hence why normally, you shouldn't be using your defensive cooldowns against a Demonology warlock. However, it is happening, and I'd say it's because of the spec that's tagging along with the warlock, doing already insane damage and forcing you to turtle prematurely. As you've said, no good warlock would burst against a team with defensives up, aand no good player would want to use defensive abilities when the warlock isn't red yet, but they're forced to. I personally blame the whole MoP play-style in which even warlocks don't fit in well (more ramp up should equate to more damage, but more damage is already absurd in the current state of the game).
Also, I'd say demonology warlocks are so "strong" right now because many players don't know much about them yet. Just by reading the forums and even watching the battle.net tournament, I could see players making mistakes and not knowing how to counter properly. I'll also add that there's a very game-changing bug that makes the whole difference and allows you to easily counter a demonology warlock, and it's something even players in the battle'net championships didn't make use of.
I was in RBG with a 2300+ CR group and ran into Jahmilli tich horde and his rank one glad group who ran triple demo lock, mage, dk on eye of the storm. Lets just say that chaos wave x3 with all 2/2 elite upgrade is impossible to heal and ruins the game completely.
1. Dk Aoe Grip
2. Mage Ring of frost
3. Warlock x3 Chaos Wave gg
also, are you defending the current state of locks by linking a Swifty video made in a wargame in a bg with fool moltipliers on damage done and received? really?
As i pointed out in another thread. Warlocks are clearly insanely op if you look at ladder on one of the best battlegroups in EU.
7 warlocks.. wow... they are clearly overrepresented in high end arenas due to their OPness...
no, you clearly didn't.
do you watch high rated US players streaming? Nadagast, Beckinsalex? They are saying themselves that demo atm is broken and OP as hell.
also, ladders are not updated after 5.1, and btw representation alone doesn't mean that much, even less from a single battlegroup.
Explain why there arent that many warlocks in the top then? Also warlocks were nerfed in 5.1 so if anything there should be even less warlocks now than pre-5.1.
Why arent there more locks if they are so insanely overpowered?
They played near flawless, but just to say, they won several games because of damage, not because of actually killing.
Watching a tournament is one thing, paying attention is a different thing.
And it were 2 battlegroups, the 2 best battlegroups of eu and I'm fairly sure the eu ladders are actually updated, seeing the lack of hunters after 5.1.
Most of the classes that were on the top pre 5.1 were nerfed (hunters and warriors), so you will soon see Warlocks getting higher.
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But it's pointless to argue with people who have an agenda to nerf X class. They just see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear and nothing else. They point at BWC even though Snutz was trained most of the time and did not put much pressure, and even the commentators said most of the damage was coming from Venruki.
Random double post is random.
Last edited by Rio; 2012-12-03 at 03:00 AM.
And from GC's recent tweet I don't see anything that suggest the devs think its broken either. CW is not anything close to 1-shot. Anything close to 200K CW in arenas and damage over it is an extremely rare occurance and belongs mostly for entertainment purposes in videos (like what Swifty does).
Of course by lobbying to get CW nerfed you are breaking the class as a whole since Demo is the only viable lock spec in PVP (not even highly represented at that).