the current system works,
stop whining that rng hates u and deal with it
If it makes people feel better I got 3 items this week for the Heart of Fear LFR and I DE'ed them right away.
Now if you imagine that happening, in your LFR when you were rolling against me for an item you really really needed!
Ta daaaaa you've now reverted the new system to the old one! Enjoy.
PPl keep saying lfr is there to see content, well Ok, then why do ppl still go every week in lfr to see content? When you see how EZ fights in lfr are and you only need to see them 1 time why is there any need to do it again? Simply if lfr are there for content then do it once and then you simply cant enter lfr anymore on that character.
even thou i admit i hate ending up not getting loot after the weekly lfr, i think adding a token and all that would suck.
i would totally lost the happy feeling when i finally get loot.
RNG adds a level of excitement because rewards are unknown. Removing RNG basically makes it a glorified quest. No excitement. No more "Is it gonna drop?".
There are already enough static grinds in the game. I don't see a need for another one.
imho - the big issue with LFR loot is the blind rolls. Another poster put it perfectly when he stated that the missing rolls are really a hit to our psyche that nothing is happening. It's all about perception. So, if they at least showed us our individual roll vs the required roll to get useful loot, at least we would have some kind of feedback.
Something > Nothing.
They got what they wanted, and the result was the worst decline in subs in WoW's history. So interested in themselves and their wants at the expense of the game itself. Blizzard soaked it all up, even.
Need a community board (something like EvE enjoys) of various interests, as it can't be just about one segment of a game. That's tunnel vision and stagnates new content.
From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
LOL you are what is killing wowLOL, why? The Darkmoon faire is a giftshop, why can't the lfr be that for us as well? Secondly, maybe I like being a little greedy fat spoiled kid, and maybe I just want a few more twinkies!
LOL, who he heck are you, and whats it to you if I get my twinkies or not? Maybe Blizzard giving an extra twinkie every now and again might be what saves wow - how do you know it won't be
I hear wow subscription numbers are at all time high after LFR release and blizzards new "bad people should see, get and do everything attitude (That's right "BAD" - not "casual" those two words have two VERY different meanings that blizzard can't get straight in their heads". I'll just remove myself from the thread since I have no idea in the slightest what made wow the #1 MMO in the business.
Last edited by Brooxi; 2012-12-03 at 01:58 PM.
Okay guys i have a brilliant idea to solve all loot problems! All loot in game now has a 100% drop rate and each player gets all of the items. Yeah that way we don"t have to worry about not getting loot because it is important i get loot.
what is the difference of winning nothing and knowing who won what, to getting 28g and not knowing who won.
The new way is better, there are no issue's you win or loose as you did before at least this time you get 28g per boss and also the chance to win an item useful to your character on every boss fight
You could also win no loot has hapened in the past. If you want to knwo who won what just ask in raid, people are always eager to show off new lootz.
I know its been said, but grats for inventing valor points lol...
They removed tokens and made valor points, now you want both ?
People need to deal with rng, you're not supposed to get loot every single week...deal with it...
16 bosses= 16 token a week, you said you'd put an armor piece at 15-20 tokens, which more or less equals the time needed to get 1250 Valor Points to get one of the less expensive ilvl389 equipment pieces (given the weekly 1000 points cap)...
And LFR pieces will have lesser ilvl.
Basically LFR would stop making sense at all, if not for the Sigils. But once you're done with them, bbLFR. I like the good old RNG better.
Last edited by Lord Pebbleton; 2012-12-03 at 09:59 PM.
OP all you did was re-invite valor points. How did no one mention that already?
LFR does take some degree of skill and coordination. However, by necessity, it doesn't require much coordination.-I'm acting like Raiding actually takes some skill, coordination and cooperation and LFR doesn't
[quote]-I'm acting like people shouldn't expect loot out of LFR, and be happy with the system as it is[/.quote]
They should. They are.
You are. So are they. And technically LFR players do raid.-I'm acting like I am entitled to raid rewards, yes, because I raid. If you are doing LFR, you do not.
You seem to have some misconceptions about it yourself. But yes, in many ways, it is fine. That doesn't mean there isn't room for improvemnt and even in Normals and heroics, RNG can be unpopular.I came in here to suggest the LFR loot system is fine as it is, although it could be more transparent, and to remind people what LFR really is and who it is for.
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The LFR is like the experience say two or three months into the tier, when you're already downing all 16 bosses. You kill all 16 bosses every week on every toon. Imagine doing that for 3 or 4 months just to hit your gearing goals! That appears to be what Blizzard is asking a fair number of us to do, and I don't think many casuals will have the perseverence to do it.
Its one thing to want to be geared out in a few weeks. Its another thing to ask if its possible for a dedicated lfr raider to maybe gear themselves out in 2 to 3 months. At the present rate, it doesn't seem like that's going to happen for a bunch of us. There may not be as much excitement next tier among the casuals when the lfr is released - it may be "You mean we have to kill the same bunch of bosses for 4 months straight again?
People have to realize how different it is to kill all the bosses every single week on every toon for an entire tier - not just after you have progressed far enough to be able to kill them all - on the lfr you kill all the bosses the first week, and every week thereafter. If that carries on too long - say 4 months, that's as monotonous as a grind can get.
Last edited by Rielthas; 2012-12-04 at 04:28 AM.
Things to consider: The RNG in LFR is the same as it's ever been for any 25 man raid. You can go weeks or months not ever seeing that one upgrade you've been looking for, this is no different.
A guaranteed loot or currency system would eventually mean folks having no reason to run LFR any longer, which would increase queue times, making everyone unhappy.
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