Brilliant idea to solve " LFR Loot " problems.

[Deleted]

You got it right bro 3k valor points - 2 weeks now it's just I feel one more reason not to do anything. Because I'm not gettin vp. So in the end. I get - 29g * 16 = 464 g - about 100g repair taking into consideration, this is LFR - wipe alot yes. 364 g in almost 8 hours of work. Quite nice? just below 46 gold an hour. Think I might work 8 extra hours - 160 dollars = buy gold with this and buy gear that way. I mean that would work wouldn't it? I mean it's illegal and stuff but still it's better

If you don't want to do LFR because you don't think it gives you enough loot (loot you actually only use to do LFR) then why do LFR? You get upset because someone out-dps you in LFR because his 13 ilvl higher weapon magically makes him do loads more dps then you. It obviously takes all your wow time away, or time you would rather spend making real money it seems, so why not stop doing LFR at all? Unless you like only doing LFR all the time, but then why stress so much about the gear you get from it. You could obviously do LFR just fine with the gear you have so why get angry that you are not in full LFR gear yet?

[Saphyron]

In a way I like this and in another I don't.

Why I like this is that on my DK I am now up to 30 lfr bosses killed 4 sha's and 9 coins and I have yet to get a single piece of loot.
But then again on my priest I am lucky/unlucky at getting loot all the time but its loot I don't need so it gets disenchanted all the time.

A better system would be to just increase drop chance of loot by 10%.

[Kezotar]

If you don't want to do LFR because you don't think it gives you enough loot (loot you actually only use to do LFR) then why do LFR? You get upset because someone out-dps you in LFR because his 13 ilvl higher weapon magically makes him do loads more dps then you. It obviously takes all your wow time away, or time you would rather spend making real money it seems, so why not stop doing LFR at all? Unless you like only doing LFR all the time, but then why stress so much about the gear you get from it. You could obviously do LFR just fine with the gear you have so why get angry that you are not in full LFR gear yet?

I out DPS him and I love playing WoW just frustrating to not progress but off for realz now

[Spiral]

you already get vp and old raids were still RNG dependent on drops. sorry you wasted so much time typing all that.

[Rielthas]

"1hr time can make much more just doing dailies (which offer valor too).

It's about Time+Effort. "

This is another very good point about why the LFR has to remain feeling sufficiently rewarding - because for easy content, with all the problems associated with 24 random other guys, plus the fact that your trying to help 24 other people as well, its comes accross as harder than any daily hub or heroic dungeon.

[Derpyhooves]

Ok here is the thing. Playing WoW and in many other games is like gambling, you have a chance of winning something, and you are betting your time on winning. Some people get lucky and some don't. The temptation that if you keep trying you will eventually win is what makes the game addictive and Blizzard will want to keep you coming back.

Its just like a casino, people keep wasting their money thinking one day they will hit the jackpot. I wouldn't be surprised if blizz has a department or at least a consultant that specialises in addictive behavior.

People think that winning what they want will keep you playing, when in fact not winning is what keeps people playing over and over.
Thats why the system is rng and it will never change to a "guaranteed to get something" system.

[Deleted]

This is another very good point about why the LFR has to remain feeling sufficiently rewarding - because for easy content, with all the problems associated with 24 random other guys, plus the fact that your trying to help 24 other people as well, its comes accross as harder than any daily hub or heroic dungeon.

Apparently it came across just the opposite to him.

[Schweddy]

Just add 10-15 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune to the bag you get when you dont get any loot insteed of a new currency

[XDurionX]

45 * 5 = 225 VP * 2 = 450 VP. I don't do dailies due to it will get too late. So I can't afford to even upgrade a single piece..

Each lfr wing awards 90 vp the first time each week, so you´re outright lying already. Jeez.

[Rielthas]

Oh my god. LFR loot does not HAVE problems. It doesn't NEED to be fixed. Holy shit, you're just upset because you're not winning shit. LFR - fuck that, ALL raiding - always had RNG. Just admit it, you don't like change. In DS LFR, like in normal raiding, random items from that boss' loot table would drop. That's random part one. And trust me, I had many, many times in which I didn't see a single piece drop for me. Then, the random rolls to see if you could get the items you wanted, if one was available, not to mention rolling against guildmates helping each other out and assclowns who need stuff to vendor it or just to see the trail of tears from the people who could've used it.

There is NOTHING WRONG with our current LFR loot system. RNG is RNG. It's always been in LFR loot, it's just different, and BETTER now. Just because you don't see 4 pretty pictures of delicious gear appear on your screen now doesn't mean this way is bad. It doesn't mean your chances for getting gear are any worse. Christ, they've even given us a SECOND CHANCE at getting gear from bosses, and STILL people complain.

This mentality is getting worse and worse every year that passes. Here's a basic rundown:

Raiding
"This is no good, we want easier epics" - introduce badges
"This is no good, we want easier epics" - higher level badge gear gets easier to obtain with each new tier
"This is no good, we want easier epics" - 5 mans can drop epics
"This is no good, we want easier epics" - introduce LFR
"This is no good, we want easier epics" - Blizzard gives you a second roll at LFR loot, that ALWAYS at least gives you money
"This is no good, we want easier epics"

It just goes on and on. You people are never satisfied. I don't even know anymore.

Dude, its not about easier epics. RNG is not hard, just frustrating. Not for all of us is the LFR a means at easier raid content - its our "only" means of raid content, even on our mains for some of us, but definately on our alts. Raiders get to kill regular bosses for a chance at loot plus the lfr bosses for a chance at lower loot, all we have is the lower loot chance. For you, its not big deal, you get a 483 from LFR, your happy, but your still going to keep running regular raids until you replace it with a 490+. For some of us on some of our toons, this may not be an option ever, or at least for quite some time with the current state of MOP on some servers. Not all servers are doing a lot of real raiding at all. Some how so few raid teams, only the best players even get to raid. Stop being such an elitist jerk, and regognize that stuff for the casuals is stuff for the casuals. If you want to run it to enjoy it and to take advantage of the rewards, go ahead and feed free. Otherwise, shut up!!! There is nothing wrong with the LFR being rewarding to casuals, when the reality is that may be the only epics they'll ever see anyways.

[lizon]

I out DPS him and I love playing WoW just frustrating to not progress but off for realz now

You don't need LFR gear to "progress". In fact LFR and Progression are 2 words that should never be in the same sentence together. LFR drops are just a bonus, a perk, an added gift, a carrot on a stick to give you something to do. By no means should you ever consider it as a primary means to gear up and progress your character.

So what if you don't get a drop this week? It doesn't matter. You can get pretty much every item slot filled in without having to step foot in LFR. Valor Gear does this just fine.

The current system is fine, you get VP to upgrade/purchase gear for every one and a chance to get some loot plus bonus chances with coins. It seems you just want to get every week. I'm sorry but that's not how the system works. If you want instant gratification for what you are doing in a game go play some FPS. A MMO doesn't work that way.

The way you are talking in this thread it seems like you feel you are "required" to run LFR to get gear. Here is a novel idea, instead of running LFR, try doing dailies for rep to get honored with a few factions. Kalaxxi, Golden Lotus, and Shado-pan rep can be accomplished very quickly. If you don't run LFR and instead run those dailies you can get the rep in a few days in order to get a few 489 pieces. If you do those dailies instead of doing LFR you will get gear for slots that you need that will be better than anything you can get from LFR. That way all of that valor that you have saved up won't be going to waste, it will be used up instead.

Quite frankly you are doing a very poor job in managing your game time properly.

LFR, Dailies, and Crafting are all tools that used to gear up your character. If using one tool isn't doing the job for you fast enough maybe you should switch to a different tool.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Blizzard has already stated that the valor point system is their solution to long strings of no loot, because at least you get loot at some point. They never want to take away the "thrill" of letting you get a chance at loot off a boss and want to keep the RNG.

[Alvito]

Why do we need to fix a system that just gives away free loot? Little to no effort is put in to receive LFR loot yet ppl cry up a storm about how it isn't fair or they don't get enough.

[Rielthas]

Where the f*** are you playing that it takes 7,5 hours to clear lfr ?
Oh and maybe search for a small guild instead that raids just once a week. Will be way more efficient than spending 8 hours on lfr.

I find that even if you don't include 20 - 30 minute que times that occasionally happen, the higher segments take about an hour minimum to complete - more if you have groups that wipe a lot and have people constantly quitting in frustration. I spend the better part of one day running the upper 3 of 5 segments on 2 toons each week. It is "not" time efficient, and it takes an exceptional group to clear a segment in a half hour. LFR is generally a time sink, its only saving grace is it doesn't always feel like such a boring repetitive grind as dailies do. However, if it takes 4 months to gear up, I guarantee it wont take more than month or 2 for it to feel like just another boring repetitive grind that Blizzard has cooked up in a "clutching at straws" method of preserving content beyond reasonable use.

Secondly, find a small guild that raids once a week, except "what if on your server, no guild wants you because there are many better players looking for raid spots to choose from" and "what if your guild doesn't kill any or many bosses? How will that get you loot?" Bottom line is, for many of us, the lfr is the only means to epic loot we could count on up into MOP, and it feels like that's been taken away from us too.

Wow is destined to become nothing more than a boring, monotonous, constant, repetitive grind!

[Kevyne-Shandris]

Why do we need to fix a system that just gives away free loot? Little to no effort is put in to receive LFR loot yet ppl cry up a storm about how it isn't fair or they don't get enough.

The ones crying are usually raiders who are in a hurry to "progress".

The only thing I really complain about is the miserable drop/win rate of shields. Can see 10000000001 agility leather and mail items drop, but a shield? If it does drop, a RET of all things gets it. -_-

[Rielthas]

I know what gearing up via lfr reminds me of? - that claw machine you see in many public places. I never even bother putting in my dollar and playing, because after playing a few times, its quite obvious that the odds of the claw actually being able to grab anything that I would actually want is virtually nil lol.

Nice work Blizz

[Pancaspe]

The current LFR Loot System is near perfect. Why change it?

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Why do we need to fix a system that just gives away free loot? Little to no effort is put in to receive LFR loot yet ppl cry up a storm about how it isn't fair or they don't get enough.

If you think LFR is little to no effort, you have not done it.

[Deleted]

Wait? Is there a problem with LFR? You spend 1 hours a week/raid.. Do people really want to get full LFR gear in 4 weeks?

[Rielthas]

The current LFR Loot System is near perfect. Why change it?

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If you think LFR is little to no effort, you have not done it.

I sooo sooo agree. Either you haven't done it, or you have been extremely lucky to get a golded group each time that has the skill, gear, and knowledge to breeze through it regardless of a few stragglers. For the rest of us, it can be quite frustrating more often then not!

And in regards to the point about how "not getting loot" is more addicting then getting it, its true - psychology has demonstrated it many times over. However, there is a point where a random reward schedule is too rare, and a phenomenon called "learned helplessness" sets in, which eventually makes the person give up and stop trying. That is the problem a number of us are seeing and feeling.

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Wait? Is there a problem with LFR? You spend 1 hours a week/raid.. Do people really want to get full LFR gear in 4 weeks?

No, of course not. If we felt that was even close to likely to happen, we wouldn't be posting in favor of more loot. For us that can barely hope to get 1 useful piece per week, we're looking at upwards of 16 weeks of kiling the same 16 bosses week after week to gear up. These aren't heroic bosses either - it won't take more than 8 weeks for these bosses to become extremely old, tired, monotonous and repetitive. Imagine if your whole heroic raiding experience was like the last 8 weeks of Cata - killing the same bosses relatively easily (progressionally speaking) again and again with not much gained. Now its worse, its 16 boring repetitive bosses you have to kill on every every week for not much gain. I think I liked it better with 6, and funny, regardless of the problems with the system, I actually got more loot and was on a quicker gearing curve

[Deadmedic]

if your time spent "Enjoying the game with friends" cant possibly include doing 5 daily quests, then maybe you dont actually enjoy MMOs