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  1. #1861
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    Money has become so important in modern times that I'm sure over 90% of women would go for 9 months of pregnanc rather then 19 years of paying expensive debts.
    I wouldn't, I'd go for no paying for the other part if they want to opt out.
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  2. #1862
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Money is not the same as your body changing. Money is a concept invented by humans to pay for services/living, pregnancy is not.
    money is how you pay for your internet. money is how you eat. money is how you can say things like the above regardless of how hypocritical it is.

    if you wanna get down to it, women do not deserve equality because humans are a dimorphic species. we're the ONLY dimorphic species on earth who gives rights to the smaller sex that they could not take by force. if nature had its say, women would have no rights over the baby unborn or not. nature says you have children and take care of them, men kill shit for you to cook and protect you. that's nature. so before you bring up "unnatural money" and "natural pregnancy" let's keep in mind that nature says you don't have a say in the matter. men give you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    Or you could read what people are actually posting and stop making up shit?
    keep your smartass, pointless comments to yourself. fuck it's like this whole topic zipped so far over your head you can't see it.

  3. #1863
    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    really doesn't matter what you think, if a woman can abort a kid to secure her future she should have no issues with a man signing off to avoid child support to secure his

    of course that's not reality. women want their options and his pay check.
    It doesnt matter what you think either. And having an abortion is an operation to the body, a little more important than simply signing a paper. What im getting at is you think its okay for a man to sleep with all kinds of women, get them pregnant, and absolve any responsibility by signing off his rights.

    If a man doesnt want to deal with being a father, there are things called condoms. Of course both people are stupid if they ignore contraception (not saying accidents dont happen) but she has to physically deal with the pregnancy, he doesnt.

  4. #1864
    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    It doesnt matter what you think either. And having an abortion is an operation to the body, a little more important than simply signing a paper. What im getting at is you think its okay for a man to sleep with all kinds of women, get them pregnant, and absolve any responsibility by signing off his rights.

    If a man doesnt want to deal with being a father, there are things called condoms. Of course both people are stupid if they ignore contraception (not saying accidents dont happen) but she has to physically deal with the pregnancy, he doesnt.
    It is wrong for the man sleep around but not for the woman? That's what I'm getting from your logic.

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    Well, it's kindda a heavy subject really. Abortion is something that should always be discussed in a couple if needed. I voted yes, but I have a condition to it. The father must be within a relationship with the mother, then he may have a saying. But that is all, if he's just another man whom got lucky through a trip out town, then he can hold his tongue and just sign the documents.

    But for another add, if a mother wishes the child to be born, but the father does not. Then she will sadly have to do her choice of signing the document as the father does not wish the child, signing this paper will not bind the father to pay child support nor having to bring his responsibility.

    That is how I think the system is working, how I feel is a bit different. Basicly, if the mother is pregnant and the father doesn't want the child but she does, suck it up. You didn't chose protection as a man, and therefor you are now going to be a father, pay your share and let the mother take care of the child then. (Not always fair, but one should not leave behind ones blood line)
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  6. #1866
    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    It is wrong for the man sleep around but not for the woman? That's what I'm getting from your logic.
    It's more than a man could have a hundred "abortions" a year and suffer little emotional or physical trauma, while a woman can have one a year (if not one EVER) and will suffer physically or emotionally in a big way... like becoming barren. Higher risk of STD is a promise.

  7. #1867
    Yes, the father should have a say. It's his kid too.

    If none of them want it, abort the kid or set it up for adoption.
    If they both want it, awesome and congratulations.
    If the mother wants it but the father does not, have him opt out of child support, or pay the child support but have nothing else to do with the kid.
    If the mother does not want it, but the father does, have her birth the kid and the father will pay all expenses and take the kid as his own.

    Simple fact is it takes 2 people to make that kid. I don't care whose birthing the kid, the choice should remain "equal" at 50/50. I know I'd be pissed if my girlfriend/wife did not want a child that I said I wanted and rode the system into aborting it without my input at all. Hell, if I told her I'd take care of it and she'd never even have to look at it again once the deed was done, then why should I consent to letting her kill something that I want?

  8. #1868
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    Simple fact is it takes 2 people to make that kid. I don't care whose birthing the kid, the choice should remain "equal" at 50/50. I know I'd be pissed if my girlfriend/wife did not want a child that I said I wanted and rode the system into aborting it without my input at all. Hell, if I told her I'd take care of it and she'd never even have to look at it again once the deed was done, then why should I consent to letting her kill something that I want?
    Because it's HER body that will be carrying it, HER body that will bear the consequences, and HER that takes all the risks involved with pregnancy (some of which are unavoidable)

  9. #1869
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    Because it's HER body that will be carrying it, HER body that will bear the consequences, and HER that takes all the risks involved with pregnancy (some of which are unavoidable)
    Well I guess the guy who is requesting that of her better have the money/resources to back all that up then, huh?

  10. #1870
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    Well I guess the guy who is requesting that of her better have the money/resources to back all that up then, huh?
    Better have the resources to transfer the embryo.

    It's utterly immoral to demand that someone does something with their body because you want it, no matter how much money you have. If they decide to because of money, that's THEIR choice (though, depending on their income level this is also another form of coercion), but saying "well, i'll pay for it, so you HAVE TO" is despicable. Especially since money cannot fix the problems that can come from pregnancy, as they're fundamental bodily changes, such as hormone shifts and body changes that are irreversible.

  11. #1871
    Quote Originally Posted by Noobadin View Post
    No they shouldn't. It's the woman that has to carry the baby to term, not the man. No man should be able to force a woman to carry a baby to term or have a fetus killed because they don't want to be a father.

    inb4 'well women can force men to be a father'

    Maybe you should try sleeping with women that are on some form of birth control and have the same views on having children as you do. Also, learn what a condom is, get a vasectomy or don't have sex all together if you're that paranoid.
    I'm going to end this BS here and now. This is a catch 22 question. YES the woman has the right to control her own body but at the same time the man has the right to have his child born even if that means the mother gives up custody after the child is born. so IF the father has not violated any sex/assault laws leading up to the pregnancy then YES he should have the right to stop the abortion; However, this means that the father voids the right to claim child support from the mother. Its her body but its THEIR child. end of story.

    EDIT: this should work both ways to prevent any more Bi#### from forcing a man to pay child support for a kid he has signed away parental right too and never sees.
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  12. #1872
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    Better have the resources to transfer the embryo.

    It's utterly immoral to demand that someone does something with their body because you want it, no matter how much money you have. If they decide to because of money, that's THEIR choice (though, depending on their income level this is also another form of coercion), but saying "well, i'll pay for it, so you HAVE TO" is despicable. Especially since money cannot fix the problems that can come from pregnancy, as they're fundamental bodily changes, such as hormone shifts and body changes that are irreversible.
    I'm not denying all of that to be important but it still stands that it's the father's kid too. Why kill it if there's at least one responsible person who wants it alive and is able to compensate the mother for her duty? Look all i'm saying is that it took 2 people to make the kid therefore placing the woman's opinion at 100% and the man's at 0% is wrong. I know it warps her body and what not and I've got no answer for remedying that, but i can't say that it should be her choice and her choice alone if the father is looking to take care of their seed.

  13. #1873
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    Because it's HER body that will be carrying it, HER body that will bear the consequences, and HER that takes all the risks involved with pregnancy (some of which are unavoidable)
    Then SHE should be the one responsible for avoiding pregnany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    Well I guess the guy who is requesting that of her better have the money/resources to back all that up then, huh?
    Uh, you actually think money can fix complications arising from pregnancy?
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  15. #1875
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Uh, you actually think money can fix complications arising from pregnancy?
    tough shit use the pill next time. once she is preg THEY should both have a say in an abortion. fair is fair they took the risk THEY both have 50% say in wether she can have an abortion.

  16. #1876
    The men do not carry equal burden, they aren't the ones who go through 9 months carrying something they do not want, potentially risking their lives. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do with their body is akin to slavery.
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  17. #1877
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Uh, you actually think money can fix complications arising from pregnancy?
    Money can fix a lot of things, but that response was in jest.

  18. #1878
    Quote Originally Posted by Anevers View Post
    The men do not carry equal burden, they aren't the ones who go through 9 months carrying something they do not want, potentially risking their lives. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do with their body is akin to slavery.
    aborting someones child is akin to murder and destruction of property regardless of it being her body. again this is a catch 22. she has the right to control her body but not at the cost of denying a father his child.

  19. #1879
    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    It doesnt matter what you think either. And having an abortion is an operation to the body, a little more important than simply signing a paper. What im getting at is you think its okay for a man to sleep with all kinds of women, get them pregnant, and absolve any responsibility by signing off his rights.

    If a man doesnt want to deal with being a father, there are things called condoms. Of course both people are stupid if they ignore contraception (not saying accidents dont happen) but she has to physically deal with the pregnancy, he doesnt.
    That, in no way, means a man should be obligated to support a child he never wanted. Accidents happen and consent to sex is not necessarily consent to fatherhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anevers View Post
    The men do not carry equal burden, they aren't the ones who go through 9 months carrying something they do not want, potentially risking their lives. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do with their body is akin to slavery.
    So is forcing someone to do something they don't want with their money.

    Also human gestation lasts 10 months.

  20. #1880
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    That, in no way, means a man should be obligated to support a child he never wanted. Accidents happen and consent to sex is not necessarily consent to fatherhood.

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    So is forcing someone to do something they don't want with their money.

    Also human gestation lasts 10 months.
    Actually, human gestation is a little over 9 months. 40 weeks doesn't equal 10 months.
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