if you wanna get down to it, women do not deserve equality because humans are a dimorphic species. we're the ONLY dimorphic species on earth who gives rights to the smaller sex that they could not take by force. if nature had its say, women would have no rights over the baby unborn or not. nature says you have children and take care of them, men kill shit for you to cook and protect you. that's nature. so before you bring up "unnatural money" and "natural pregnancy" let's keep in mind that nature says you don't have a say in the matter. men give you that.
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If a man doesnt want to deal with being a father, there are things called condoms. Of course both people are stupid if they ignore contraception (not saying accidents dont happen) but she has to physically deal with the pregnancy, he doesnt.
Well, it's kindda a heavy subject really. Abortion is something that should always be discussed in a couple if needed. I voted yes, but I have a condition to it. The father must be within a relationship with the mother, then he may have a saying. But that is all, if he's just another man whom got lucky through a trip out town, then he can hold his tongue and just sign the documents.
But for another add, if a mother wishes the child to be born, but the father does not. Then she will sadly have to do her choice of signing the document as the father does not wish the child, signing this paper will not bind the father to pay child support nor having to bring his responsibility.
That is how I think the system is working, how I feel is a bit different. Basicly, if the mother is pregnant and the father doesn't want the child but she does, suck it up. You didn't chose protection as a man, and therefor you are now going to be a father, pay your share and let the mother take care of the child then. (Not always fair, but one should not leave behind ones blood line)
Yes, the father should have a say. It's his kid too.
If none of them want it, abort the kid or set it up for adoption.
If they both want it, awesome and congratulations.
If the mother wants it but the father does not, have him opt out of child support, or pay the child support but have nothing else to do with the kid.
If the mother does not want it, but the father does, have her birth the kid and the father will pay all expenses and take the kid as his own.
Simple fact is it takes 2 people to make that kid. I don't care whose birthing the kid, the choice should remain "equal" at 50/50. I know I'd be pissed if my girlfriend/wife did not want a child that I said I wanted and rode the system into aborting it without my input at all. Hell, if I told her I'd take care of it and she'd never even have to look at it again once the deed was done, then why should I consent to letting her kill something that I want?
It's utterly immoral to demand that someone does something with their body because you want it, no matter how much money you have. If they decide to because of money, that's THEIR choice (though, depending on their income level this is also another form of coercion), but saying "well, i'll pay for it, so you HAVE TO" is despicable. Especially since money cannot fix the problems that can come from pregnancy, as they're fundamental bodily changes, such as hormone shifts and body changes that are irreversible.
EDIT: this should work both ways to prevent any more Bi#### from forcing a man to pay child support for a kid he has signed away parental right too and never sees.
Last edited by krunksmash; 2012-12-10 at 08:26 PM.
The men do not carry equal burden, they aren't the ones who go through 9 months carrying something they do not want, potentially risking their lives. Forcing someone to do something they don't want to do with their body is akin to slavery.
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Also human gestation lasts 10 months.