It's really exciting like to have lived in a country that just 10 years ago was very very very different then it is now when it comes to this. Can you imagine waking up in a day or two and the American supreme court says banning gay marriage is no bueno? It's like someone left the door to the twilight zone open..
Just to note if this goes well.. Proudmoore is the server to be on to see how amazingly it will change peoples lives.
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The only question is the margin of the victory. I'd love to see 9-0 (and believe it or not, I don't think that's out of the question), but I'm guessing 7-2 is more likely.
As a Californian, I'm actually really upset they are deciding to hear it.
Had the Supreme Court decided not to hear the Prop 8 case, the 9th Circuit's ruling against it from earlier this year would have been the ultimate ruling. What that means is gay marriage would be legal again in California pretty much immediately, but since the SCOTUS has now decided to hear the case this bullshit is being dragged out for yet another year. I just want it to be over.
That being said, with the results of the recent election I'm hopeful that the SCOTUS will ultimately rule against Prop 8 and this will finally be over.
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Who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor.
Who had almost stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol.
And who had personally wet himself, at the Battle of Badon Hill.
Of course, this is going to be the nastiest fight you've ever seen. People are going to get very whipped up about this on both sides. I'm sure what the opposition to Marriage Equality is looking to do right now is to show the justices that "the US isn't ready for this yet". They'll work to paint a big picture of horrible consequences and upheaval.
Frankly, in the end, I just don't see it making a damn bit of difference. The Justices are so ego driven, which one of them is honestly going to say "hey, I want to go down as part of one of the worst decisions of all time and get reversed 20 years from now." Scalia, maybe. Thomas, perhaps. But you won't find 3 others to join them on that list.
This Supreme Court hasn't exactly shown itself to good decision making. I'm not nearly as optimistic as most people in this thread that it will go the right way. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some ridiculous 5-4 ruling upholding both. Frankly I wouldn't even be surprised if they just banned gay marriage federally.
I'm eager to be surprised by a more progressive court ruling.
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(Warning Southern Bapist Posting)
From my understanding of the bible marriage if the union of a man and a woman. And by union what the bible mean is sex plain and simple.
Marriage in the bible has nothing to do with the type of marriage that gay people want....well besides the word marriage. What gay people is the same type of legally binding contract that hetro people have and what is the problem with that? If people and understand that they are not one and the same maybe people can move on.
But then again I don't see the whole problem with people being gay. It is what it is and if it was so bad I am sure when Moses went up on Mount Sinai he would have came down with eleven commandments instead of just ten.
Because there are civil meaning to marriage, you cannot apply the word to one group and not the other. That is discrimination and unconstitutional.
If you want to protect the meaning of the word, you have to carve out the civil meanings for everyone. Otherwise it is "separate but equal" which once again is unconstitutional.
And the number of people does matter. The rights of the minority have never been subject to the tyranny of the majority.
Supporters of same-sex marriage think they can count on Kennedy because of his opinion in Lawrence, which invalidated so-called sodomy laws. But this case is a bit different. Though it does focus on something the court has long held to be a fundamental right (marriage), Lawrence was about criminalizing homosexuals, not expanding an existing right. There is a chance that Kennedy could weasel out of an equal protection claim, and he is the linchpin for overturning Prop 8 and similar laws. Those laws have a chance, albeit a small one, to survive.
DOMA, however, is dead in the water. It clearly violates the Full Faith and Credit clause and even the most reactionary justice would have to take several leaps of logic to not overturn the law on those grounds. Thomas and Scalia might still vote to uphold it; Thomas because he's always been the most reactionary clown on the court, and Scalia because, if the last term is any indication, he has absolutely no interest in any kind of legacy as a rational and consistent justice.
I never said "THIS IS TRUE, STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE." I simply said that this is my opinion on the issue. I forgot that most people on these forums insist on their opinion being fact and that most of the time I'll be considered wrong simply because I don't agree with the politically correct BS.
Go ahead and all of you agree with eachother, I'm not going to stick around just to have my opinions shitted on by your PC crap.
And yes, we all know you have gay friends, therefore you couldn't possibly dislike gay people. That's always what is said next.