America's Conquest

[Sicarus]

I've really been getting annoyed at the "'MERIKUNS KILT TEH INDIANS SO EVIL". Of course we did, it's Conquest.

The people of that time were trying to get away from the oppression of the King, and I hear this come up all the time, "Why did they oppress the Indians then?"

Conquest.

I never see anyone who attacks America with "Indians guise" who also says, "Boston Massacre."

It's conquest, it's happened all throughout history, Mongols, Romans, French.

What is seriously the big deal with it? They did it a long time ago, stop persecuting us in the modern era. :|

[Tzalix]

Because killing others just to have more space for yourself is generally considered a douche move? Yeah, lots of other countries have done it, not just America... Thing is though, "everyone else is doing it" is not really a viable excuse.

[Deleted]

Funny that they were "Trying to get away from the Oppression on the king", The puritans were persecuted for being TOO oppressive, they left to practice their own very harsh religion.

[breadisfunny]

because this isnt the middle ages anymore. mass genocide is generally frowned upon.

[Chaochamp]

It's not so much the conquest itself that disgusts me, it was how they went about doing it. Many agreements were broken by the US government to the Native people; legal, official on-the-book treaties were outright ignored for the sake of expansion. It shows a great lack of integrity for a body to lie as much as the early US government did.

Also, a handful of pedestrians != 90% of a race.

[Knight Gil]

I've really been getting annoyed at the "'MERIKUNS KILT TEH INDIANS SO EVIL". Of course we did, it's Conquest.

The people of that time were trying to get away from the oppression of the King, and I hear this come up all the time, "Why did they oppress the Indians then?"

Conquest.

I never see anyone who attacks America with "Indians guise" who also says, "Boston Massacre."

It's conquest, it's happened all throughout history, Mongols, Romans, French.

What is seriously the big deal with it?

The whole pretentious attitude of Hollywood and some politicians who insist in painting America as "the good guys" and any opponent as "the bad guys", as if the world was black and white. People are just pointing out such hypocrisy.


Oh, and humanity's values and morals kinda change with time. Nowadays, going and conquering someone is not seen as something acceptable and civilized to do. It's not that hard to understand what the "big deal" is.

[Sicarus]

Because killing others just to have more space for yourself is generally considered a douche move? Yeah, lots of other countries have done it, not just America... Thing is though, "everyone else is doing it" is not really a viable excuse.

Yet Americans of the modern era are persecuted for it.

YOUR ANCESTORS DID IT, is not a viable excuse.

[breadisfunny]

Yet Americans of the modern era are persecuted for it.

YOUR ANCESTORS DID IT, is not a viable excuse.

some sort of repriations should be made.

[Theinquisition]

I hear what your saying.

Everyone is quick to point out the mistakes we have made in our short history.

Just about every country in the world has had there black spots in history, western europe especially.

[Sicarus]

The whole pretentious attitude of Hollywood and some politicians who insist in painting America as "the good guys" and any opponent as "the bad guys", as if the world was black and white. People are just pointing out such hypocrisy.


Oh, and humanity's values and morals kinda change with time. Nowadays, going and conquering someone is not seen as something acceptable and civilized to do. It's not that hard to understand what the "big deal" is.

Eugh.

The big deal, I am referring to, which I should've been more clear about, is how in the modern era, Americans are persecuted for what their ancestors did, which isn't exactly fair when everyone else says, OH WELL X Y Z HAPPENED A WHILE AGO GET OVER IT.

---------- Post added 2012-12-29 at 08:26 PM ----------

some sort of repreations should be made.

No thanks.

Not only am I not related to the founders, I doubt you're related to the indians.

It QUITE a long time ago.

Reparations is the dumbest shit ever, unless you know, it fucking happened to you in the now.

---------- Post added 2012-12-29 at 08:26 PM ----------

I hear what your saying.

Everyone is quick to point out the mistakes we have made in our short history.

Just about every country in the world has had there black spots in history, western europe especially.

Especially when it comes to persecution in the modern era towards Americans. :|

---------- Post added 2012-12-29 at 08:27 PM ----------

It's not so much the conquest itself that disgusts me, it was how they went about doing it. Many agreements were broken by the US government to the Native people; legal, official on-the-book treaties were outright ignored for the sake of expansion. It shows a great lack of integrity for a body to lie as much as the early US government did.

Also, a handful of pedestrians != 90% of a race.

Andrew Jackson, man.

[Lashmoo]

We won't escape it any time soon. Our ancestors f'd up. We can't change the past, all we can do is try to make amends with those affected. I'm more worried that people dwell on events that took place 300 years ago. Nobody in existence remembers it, so what's the point of getting in a fuss over it? Learn from the mistakes and move forward.

[Bakis]

Is it a big deal? Never thought of it as a big deal cos it's "not in our time".
It was a genocide and it happened in the US europeans did it as well in a bunch of continents as late as 20th centuary.
People were unenlightened, under the notion that we are more enlightened today which can be questioned at times.
However covering it up with the word conquest is just awful, egocentric racist greed suits it better no matter what time it occur in.
Conquest my ass..

[flam]

some sort of repriations should be made.

you mean they need more then their 'make money hand over fist' casino's?

[Sicarus]

Funny that they were "Trying to get away from the Oppression on the king", The puritans were persecuted for being TOO oppressive, they left to practice their own very harsh religion.

There was more than one group that went to North America, especially more than one religion, although puritans were mostly the first.

But I'm not puritan, broham.

[Xenofreak]

I've always kind of wondered, are there countless British people who constantly bash their own country for the whole colonies thing? How many Brazilians bash their country for the excruciatingly cruel slave trade (at least in the states we generally kept them alive, rather than working them to death and shipping in more)? France for it's imperialistic days? Any of the other countless citizens of countless countries that have committed such atrocities refuse to pass up the opportunity to make some snarky comment about what happened centuries ago, or do they simple leave it in the god damn past where it belongs?

[Sicarus]

Is it a big deal? Never thought of it as a big deal cos it's "not in our time".
It was a genocide and it happened in the US Europeans did it as well in a bunch of continents as late as 20th centuary.
People were unenlightened, under the notion that we are more enlightened today which can be questioned at times.
However covering it up with the word conquest is just awful, egocentric racisst greed suits it better no matter what time it occur in.
Conquest my ass..

subjugation of enemy: the process of taking control of a place or people by force of arms
something acquired by conquering: something that has been acquired through force of arms, e.g. land, people, or goods
somebody won over: somebody whose love, affection, or admiration has been won, often through strength of character or seduction, and sometimes somewhat against the person's will


No I think conquest is a better way of putting it. Especially since I'm sure the Romans/Mongols/French/British didn't care what race you were.

---------- Post added 2012-12-29 at 08:33 PM ----------

I've always kind of wondered, are there countless British people who constantly bash their own country for the whole colonies thing? How many Brazilians bash their country for the excruciatingly cruel slave trade (at least in the states we generally kept them alive, rather than working them to death and shipping in more)? France for it's imperialistic days? Any of the other countless citizens of countless countries that have committed such atrocities refuse to pass up the opportunity to make some snarky comment about what happened centuries ago, or do they simple leave it in the god damn past where it belongs?

NOPE!

It's like everybody hates the U.S. for whatever reason.

We must like, be the kid in a hypothetical late 90's elementary school who got a Gameboy Color, or Lunchables.

[Bakis]

The big deal, I am referring to, which I should've been more clear about, is how in the modern era, Americans are persecuted for what their ancestors did, which isn't exactly fair when everyone else says, OH WELL X Y Z HAPPENED A WHILE AGO GET OVER IT.

You want to stigmatize yourself less, if possible?
It is not like germans get to hear about the nazis or russians about Stalin or iraqies about Saddam.
Persecuted, go look up that word when you'r at it.

[flam]

I've always kind of wondered, are there countless British people who constantly bash their own country for the whole colonies thing? [/I]

My girlfriend is British, and she does indeed does bash her own country. She makes no excuses for her countries behavior in the past.

[Tierbook]

most Indians died to disease.... aside from that i would imagine that SPain killed far more Indians than America ever did

[GreatOak]

some sort of repriations should be made.

No. People who had nothing to do with it should not be punished or rewarded.