I think my country was better in communism...

[Kasierith]

let me tell you a story about the wolf and the dog

And then the wolf's wife and children die because he was a stuck up prick. Good job mr wolf.

But really, sensationalist stories are sensationalist, and not to be taken seriously.

East Germany seems to be better off now.

Primarily because they had a prosperous country to swoop in and bring them up to speed with the rest of the world. While the rest of the communist states.... well... the years after the fall of the USSR was a horrible time, and the ramifications of that period of near anarchy will probably be felt for decades.

[Aftonflickan]

East Germany seems to be better off now.

DDR was loony-town though :P

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Almost sounds like modern capitalism!

Except it's not though.

[George]

How old were you in 1989, Arnorei?

[Catta]

If you knew what communism is or what it caused you would never want communism back. Sorry but you most be ignorant.

If you knew what communism is rather than thinking what they claimed to be communism to be so, then you would never consider what they had communism. Sorry but you must be ------.

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East Germany seems to be better off now.

If you look at statistics they are still behind the old west i believe. Only exception may be Berlin.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

And then the wolf's wife and children die because he was a stuck up prick. Good job mr wolf.

Sounds like you miss the point. You sound like you would rather be a slave to the government, completely dependent on it for survival.

[Deleted]

If you knew what communism is rather than thinking what they claimed to be communism to be so, then you would never consider what they had communism. Sorry but you must be ignorant.

Trying to enforce pure communism has always led into a form of dictatorship, be it a party or one man. So we can safely assume that one can link the dictatorship of late soviet countries to be a result of enforced communism decades before.

[Deleted]

East Germany seems to be better off now.

If East Germany still existed in that form today then goddamn Big Brother would almost be worth watching.

[Kasierith]

Sounds like you miss the point. You sound like you would rather be a slave to the government, completely dependent on it for survival.

I understand the point entirely. It's copied and pasted fairly frequently, by people who have no conception of what communism/socialism is, and base everything they know off of what was, in actuality, a totalitarian regime masquerading as a communist government in order to subjugate its populace.

[Vyxn]

And then the wolf's wife and children die because he was a stuck up prick. Good job mr wolf.

But really, sensationalist stories are sensationalist, and not to be taken seriously.



Primarily because they had half a prosperous country to swoop in and bring them up to speed with the rest of the world. While the rest of the communist states.... well... the years after the fall of the USSR were a horrible time, and the ramifications of that period of near anarchy will probably be felt for decades.

And my wife and child would rather die then live as slaves to a tyrannical government
Because they also know what freedom is and would rather not be alive then live as slaves
freedom means nothing to someone who never was free

[Puck]

Capitalism is not a political ideology; you can't compare communism and capitalism.

Yes we can, quite easily in fact.

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And my wife and child would rather die then live as slaves to a tyrannical government
Because they also know what freedom is and would rather not be alive then live as slaves
freedom means nothing to someone who never was free

Your child would rather die? Are you sure you're not projecting your feelings onto him?

[Deleted]

I was actually living in Germany when the Berlin wall fell, I remember the East germans were so happy to see the wall come down they were helping to destroy it themselves with hammers. I only wish I was old enough to understand how historically important it actually was, I was only 5 at the time I think.

[Kasierith]

And my wife and child would rather die then live as slaves to a tyrannical government
Because they also know what freedom is and would rather not be alive then live as slaves
freedom means nothing to someone who never was free

And how free are you, really?

Your child would rather die? Are you sure you're not projecting your feelings onto him?

Hey, imposing your will on others is perfectly fine if it's in the name of freedom!

[haxartus]

As I said, the Soviet block countries never had an economy which could sustain itself so they failed to do so when the Soviet Union could no longer support them.
Russia can actually sustain itself so they are recovering relatively fast and might reach Western Europe economic level within 20 years or so. Moscow and St. Petersburg are already there.

[pitakos]

Every political system can be good or beneficial as the history has taught us. Problem is that every system consists of humans, and every human can abuse the system itself for many reasons resulting it into "unfair".
Unfortunately for hundrends of years now every small nation has to play the game of alliances and interests of the "big" nations, where interests means profit. And you have to abide by their rules, or you wont live for long. If you are a good nation (cheap working hands etc), they will invest money to you ,but only when there is a huge profit for them while you lick the leftovers .Otherwise you are free to compete with an economy hundreds of years ahead of you while they abuse you by any means possible.

To put it in general, no country but a few(major powers) are holding their luck on their own hands. Politicians (no matter the party), economy ,and even your natural resources are being controled by them .If you for example try to sell oil without their permission/benefit (or even extract it), expect bombs all over your ass.

[Catta]

Trying to enforce pure communism has always led into a form of dictatorship, be it a party or one man. So we can safely assume that one can link the dictatorship of late soviet countries to be a result of enforced communism decades before.

When someone tries to enforce communism and puts themselves at top it is hardly someone trying to enforce pure communism.

[Ryuk]

Yes we can, quite easily in fact.

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There was a time in SSSR where Lenin had created a communism-capitalism system. It worked. Unfortunately, he died.

Capitalism is an economy theory, not a political theory.

[Aftonflickan]

I've heard numerous stories about how fascinated people in the Soviet Bloc were by Western consumer goods... like cameras, phones, sunglasses and clothes etc.
As they didn't have access to non-essentials...

[Deleted]

There was a time in SSSR where Lenin had created a communism-capitalism system. It worked, unfortunately, he died.

Correction: The system carried over to the biggest fucking loony in the universe. I think someone like Trotsky as general secretary could manage the country much better.

Question is how WW2 would end up if Trotsky was in charge.

[Combatbutler]

East Germany seems to be better off now.

It certainly wasn't cheap for the west Germany.

I was actually living in Germany when the Berlin wall fell, I remember the East germans were so happy to see the wall come down they were helping to destroy it themselves with hammers. I only wish I was old enough to understand how historically important it actually was, I was only 5 at the time I think.

I am actually quite amazed, we survived the whole ordeal nearly their entire economy collapsed and to rebuild the east consumed so much and even today they are still behind the west in many ways.