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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmbringe View Post
    Statements like these really outrage me, because they make Devs look like fools. It's as if they were not playing their own game.
    They've said worse. Remember when they added a single item with feral attack power on it to the loot tables of one of the world boss dragons and declared feral itemization "fixed"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byniri View Post
    That's not a Druid...
    You are right, Hyacha was a Hunter.
    NINJA TURTLES as the next playable WoW race/class combo. WoW has got Kung Fu Pandas, Pokemon and recently even Transformers in it, so I don't see how Ninja Turtles would be any less pathetic than current "WoW" is.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmbringe View Post
    You guys are amazing. Can't you read 03/01/2006? Haha. 03 January, 2006. Moonkins did exist in Vanilla, stop making yourselves look like fools.
    Until the way a date is presented becomes universal it read March 1, 2006. I do not look at who posted what I look at teh posts themselves. I just noticed you are in Europe and that it reads, January 3, 2006. A simple mistake. Also Moonkin form, from the patch notes were added just over 3 months before TBC not really proof that they existed in Vanilla as to the argument which made it seem like they were around from the start.

  4. #64
    Just getting to add a +1 to the right option, the only class that did two things and did it good was warriors, tanking and dps. Everything else was people messing for fun. Rich people, seeing the cost it had to respec in and out for raids. People now call Arms not viable because it does ~10% less than Fury. Going by that patron, hybrid classes not healing were "what the fuck are you doing" level in vanilla.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by wariofan1 View Post
    5 tanks, 4 Warlocks. Keep Banish up on 4 Firesworn, let 4 tanks take the remaining 4 Firesworn, one of Garr. GG. It's amazing how simple the fights actually were back then, only Ragnaros actually had phases in MC.
    Yep. When the Firesworn were down, I usually AFKed, autoshooting Garr, and go eat my dinner. XD

  6. #66
    I'll just say this.

    On Stormrage EU there were ZERO, count em, ZERO Boomkin druids that raided. You'd occasionaly see one while pvping, but raiding...no. There was the odd Enh shaman and even the occasional ret paladin that was ALLOWED to dps (most pallies I knew specced into holy only as far as consecration and then went all ret). Coming to the end of Vanilla when Blizzard actually did some work to the prot tree I saw a few prot pallies.

    Bit even in TBC Boomkins were rare, even after I switched over to Darkspear US. Until I found my niche guild most I got into had either one, or none, and they certainly didn't want two.
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  7. #67
    Only one Ret Paladin was every brought to a raids: to provide Kings. Every single hybrid was there to heal people. Every. Single. One. I'm not even sure where the cognitive dissonance on this matter came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmbringe View Post
    Hyacha has a pet in that pic, and since they're evidently a Night Elf, they're a hunter.

    I didn't play Vanilla, i started in TBC, but even i know that Hybrids healed, end of story. Warrior's were the bitch class in that they were allowed to be somewhat decent at DPS, but they too were generally convinced into tanking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espada View Post
    Everything else was people messing for fun.
    People playing games for fun, the BASTARDS!
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Espada View Post
    Just getting to add a +1 to the right option, the only class that did two things and did it good was warriors, tanking and dps. Everything else was people messing for fun. Rich people, seeing the cost it had to respec in and out for raids.
    Frost was pretty good. As well as POM pyro mages (But only when POM bugged and didn't get dispelled when you cast your pyro). Almost all of the specs sucked balls back then. Bad/empty rotations, enough bugs to kill a country, agility on plate gear etc.

    Also, Moonkin Form was added in 1.8 as others have said. It was available very late in Vanilla.

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  11. #71
    Yeah you could play as whatever spec you wanted. You still can today. Doesn't mean you would be taken to a raid though. GC's comment was correct. Yeah there were some guilds who took hybrids as something else, but that was for farmable content or they just didn't care about progression.

  12. #72
    And he's utterly right.

    If you was a raider as a druid then you was a healer and buff bitch.

    If you was a paladin you gave buffs. And did off off healing.

    If you was a priest you decursed and healed. Shadow spec didn't exist as a viable spec.

    If you was a Shaman you was a healer or a bloodlust bitch and maybe off DPS.

    If you was a warrior you was a tank.

    Thats not just me saying that thats the gear drops from Vanilla, look at the teir gear, it forced you into a role, getting gear for outside your role was a bugger unless you was still raiding in full teir 0 as a warrior, but that wouldn't happen in the molten core as you don't have 300+ fire resistance in that so you would be useless.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by clampy View Post
    Yup.

    Symbol of Kings
    Buffed that class only.
    Lasted only 5 minutes.
    As well as seals lasting only 30 seconds (or 1 minute?)

    Palas didn't have it easy in vanilla!
    Seals only lasted 30s, and were consumed when you judged. Since the Judgement wasn't on the GCD, it was common to have a judge/reseal macro back then. Seals going to TWO WHOLE MINUTES in BC was FUCKING MIND BLOWING!!!

    But yeah, Blessings were 5min per target. The Greater Blessings were added in later Vanilla, and cost a reagent, and only applied that particular blessing to EVERYone in that class. So yeah, you put BoSalv on all of the druids, and one was a tank, he'd have to click off the buff, and you'd have to manually give him whatever 5min buff he wanted instead. PallyPower was a godsend mod back then for this very reason.

    They were called buff/cleansbots back then for a very good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clampy View Post
    Frost was pretty good. As well as POM pyro mages (But only when POM bugged and didn't get dispelled when you cast your pyro). Almost all of the specs sucked balls back then. Bad/empty rotations, enough bugs to kill a country, agility on plate gear etc.

    Also, Moonkin Form was added in 1.8 as others have said. It was available very late in Vanilla.
    He was talking about roles, Mages were DPS no matter what, and still are of course. They were Frost in MC and BWL, and for highest damage output they'd spec Fire once you hit AQ40 and Naxx.

    Quote Originally Posted by lakara648 View Post

    If you was a warrior you was a tank.
    Get enough hit gear and you could be a Fury Warrior. The highest known dps in Vanilla was something like 1500 on a Patchwerk fight by a Fury Warrior. Basically, they'd just get Lionheart Helm and some other crap, and they'd be good to go. There was a lot of good non-tier gear for Warrior.
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  15. #75
    Only at the end of vanilla, with all the best gear possible warriors were used as DPS. The only time a hybrid played an unviable spec is #1 they had a high position in their guild and forced them to carry them or #2 they raided months behind in nerfed content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wariofan1 View Post
    Enhancement Shamans were good because of that one 2-hander that made the bosses take 15% more damage or something like that, I think it was Nightfall. But you'd only want one Enhancement Shaman per raid, rest would be healers. If you do the math it wasn't very viable to have a Moonkin or Retri Pala, might aswell bring a Warrior and Mage. Shadow Priests were okay, but you would rather want a Mage. The only caster you really wanted was a Mage actually, it was so easy to play them too, spam Frostbolt in MC and BWL, Fireball in AQ40 and Naxx, pop cooldown when necessary, the end. Despite the easy "rotation" they did deal the highest amount of damage overall.

    Ghostcrawler is partly right, hybrids were mostly forced into healing if you wanted to go to AQ40 and Naxx, but you could carry their weight through MC and BWL. Point is that the balancing is much better these days.

    I had a friend who played an enhance back in Vanilla. He was *the only one* in the raid and was still typically given more healer gear. Essentially, the raids I recall had typically 'that one' for whatever buff or something they brought. A bear tank was ideal for the High Priest in ZG due to being immune to Poly. I knew a couple of shadow priests back in those days, but that was it(and trust me, they were often not well liked by the healy priests.)

    I remember at one point, waay early on Retri had BoK as the 31 point talent. It was in the beta and then I think it survived a couple of live patches. So technically, someone probably played a Ret paladin in Vanilla. They just blessed BoK all night.
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  17. #77
    I was in a top end guild during Vanilla and GC is right. Druids/Paladins/Priests healed. Hybrids were NOT taken seriously in top guilds. I remember seeing ONE shadow priest in a top guild around the AQ40 days and he was the GM of the guild.

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    I think ret pallys and druids should not be doing as much damage as a pure dps class. Hybrids should have to sacrifice something in order to be able to fill all three roles.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by link4117 View Post
    Yeah you could play as whatever spec you wanted. You still can today. Doesn't mean you would be taken to a raid though. GC's comment was correct. Yeah there were some guilds who took hybrids as something else, but that was for farmable content or they just didn't care about progression.
    And yet, I tanked progression content. Everything other then Nax40, including the old ten man versions of Scholomance etc. Yes I am an exception and yes it was a TON of work trying to get every last but of defense etc, but it COULD be done and was.

    I even went to the extreme of mastering enchantment just to get the trinket you could make in molten core that had armor and resistance on it. I dropped the trade after that and used the trinket to tank everything through AQ.

    I frankly enjoyed having to seek out gear rather then having a set handed to me as I progressed. I had to spend time picking and choosing items from different instances to build a single set. I remember the joy when I finally got the Heavy Dark Iron Ring from Molten Core (again, anything and everything with any armor on it so that the Druid bonus could be applied).
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  20. #80
    Your SS of a boomkin is a hunter as others have said.
    I remember doing MC with a shadowpriest to cut down on actual healers. Ret paladins to judge seals for utility. They were only there for support, not their dps which was well below that of locks/mages/rogues and hunters. Warriors were viable dps for the most part.
    I also remember paladin tanking, druid tanking in 5mans and early raids. Paladin tanking during classic was horrible tho due to mana issues, which was also rets problem as to maintain dps over 30 seconds or something was impossible for ret. I used to come to my guilds raids as a deep prot spec but still as a healer for Blessing of Sanct.
    TBC patch made all tanks viable at the end of classic tho and most of the hybrid dps became atleast viable with support, but the game was designed for hybrids back then to be well below the pure dps.

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