Petition: Remove Flying Mounts - Let Azeroth Re-grow!

[mysticx]

I voted "Not sure", because on one end it was great and quite epic to ride around the old world and explore places a bit at a time, most recent example being the bamboo areas of Jade forest, and all those cool ground mounts that see little (if any) use, but on the other hand...

Wading through mobs to reach whatever item or mob you want to get at (The MoP Nesingwary-quests spring to mind, or EPL back in vanilla), the sometimes excessively circuitous paths you're forced along, or the areas that were designed for flying mounts outright that would need redesigning, i don't really want to think about too much of that...

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See? I can make retarded posts with obviously skewed images to serve as proof too.

[Deleted]

It would've been better if flying mounts hadn't been put in to begin with, but now they're here and so much of the game is made assuming you have one there's no sense in taking them out. I tried levelling an alt without flying once, managed to get it to level cap with some bloody minded determination but I don't want all my levelling to be that annoying.

[Kisho]

Again, in MoP, you are on foot/ground mount until level 90... max level. You explore the areas without flying as you level. So, I'm not really missing anything other than the few areas that are accessible by flying mounts only. And it is only a few areas. It's fine to explore it for the first time on foot but, nobody wants to explore the exact same thing over and over again on alts.

Yes, exactly. I thoroughly enjoyed levelling in MoP without flying mounts. But that's just a taster of what we could actually get. We could be getting a lot more.

As for the alt thing? I also happen to think it's a shame people now have so many alts and expect to be able to play them all viably. But, y'know, there are other things that could be done to accommodate those players. Account wide flight paths for taxis, for example, would help to reduce the monotony.

What I find curious though is how a lot of these arguments are how 'nobody wants to explore' or 'nobody wants to spend ages on alts' or all this... Well, why play the alt then? If you don't want to do it, why are you doing it? Why are you trying to look for ways to speed up the process? If it isn't enjoyable... Why are you doing it? Baffles me.

[kel]

Flying is a option, you are not forced to do it, why would we remove flying mounts if we can just not fly if we want

[Deleted]

I gave examples in a prior post.

And I still miss the "mystery and exploration" part. Both are gone after you done the zone one time, don't know how it will be different for an alt.

[Deleted]

Again, recycled arguments. "Because conveniences are there, not choosing them is no option.". It's just untrue, and it doesn't even barely support the argument.



These are arguments used against several things that Blizzard has implemented in WoW over the course of every expac. In short, these arguments have existed since early vanilla and they've never been more than hyperbole or fallacies since day one and I'm getting progressively more sick of seeing them in threads like these. (similiar threads being "REMOVE LFR" or "REMOVE LFD")


Also, I'm a roleplayer, which requires immersion. You really can't tell me that just because I don't think flying mounts are a bad thing, I've forgotten the 'world' bit in World of Warcraft.

Conveniences are there to stay. If your self-control is so sloppy that you can't prioritize your so-proclaimed 'fun' and 'excitement' over the convenient or easy way, that's your problem; not mine, not LFR Petey, not Flying Mount Ficaro or anyone else's problem.

What a cheeky response. I almost get a tingle down my spine, getting to refute you!

First of all, there's a difference between recycled arguments and true but persistently and falsely refuted arguments. The arguments keep getting brought up because they are true, not because they are easy to quote. I respect the way you feel on the matter, but I really cannot see where you're coming from.

It's a fact that people will do the easy thing if they can. Ethics and discipline only really apply if there are others around to see witness it, in the long run. This is why some people start looting shops as soon as disaster strikes, but everyone start doing it it given enough time. It is also why most people eat meat despite knowing its harmful for the environment, take the car to a nearby store instead of walking despite knowing it'll harm themselves in the long run, etc. It is the rules in place and judgement of others that make us act well, basically.

Now, running across Azeroth a thousand times over will get tedious. Obviously. Making love ten times a day will get tedious. Blizzard would need to make sure they design the game in a way that prevents boredom from arising when you travel across it. This design would only occur if they removed flying mounts, and flying mounts probably won't get removed in the state the game is currently in, as people would just as you say get bored after their 20th alt. Vicious circle. My point is that if they were to find a way to avoid or solve the problems arising with phasing out flying mounts, then they should do it, and the game would be better for it.

So I agree you'd probably get bored with riding ground mounts if flying suddenly disappeared in a flash as of tomorrow. But if they phased it out and slowly introduced more 'atmospheric' content on ground level, I'm sure you and me both would appreciate that in the end. Flying over the forest gets just as dull as riding through it once you've done it enough times. You can't really invent new content to make flying more fun, but you can invent new content to make riding more fun.

[Kisho]

No, don't worry Issalice! They're totally just worried about us! They feel we should be able to enjoy the glory of experiencing the World of Warcraft on a ground mount! They only want us to enjoy WoW more!


Kek.

Your posts are fascinating in that you're not providing any arguments whatsoever, only trying your absolute best to devalue my arguments by mocking me or anyone else who dares disagree with you. Not really the best way to be taken seriously.

[Krastyn]

Flying mounts are nothing like that. If LFR and LFD didn't exist, the numbers of people raiding/doing dungeons would plummet, because the entry requirements for normal (and especially heroic) raids are far beyond what the majority of the WoW playerbase can reasonably achieve. If Flying mounts didn't exist, we'd all take a little bit longer to get anywhere. Oh noes. But what we gain instead vastly outweighs that con.

The value of the weight is completely subjective. If Blizzard announced in the next expansion that they were removing flying mounts, it likely wouldn't matter what else they were adding to the game. I would be out. It's bad enough having to run across a large area multiple times on one character. Add in 10 alts, and its a chore, not an enjoyment.

You focus on what we lose out on by having flying mounts, but by removing them you would also lose out on areas like the Outlands. While you lose some possibilities with flying mounts, you also open up other options.

[Somebodyelse]

As much as I like your idea OP, it is forbidden to post petitions on the official wow forums and will get you banned or get your thread deleted.

[Deleted]

Now, running across Azeroth a thousand times over will get tedious. Obviously. Making love ten times a day will get tedious. Blizzard would need to make sure they design the game in a way that prevents boredom from arising when you travel across it. This design would only occur if they removed flying mounts, and flying mounts probably won't get removed in the state the game is currently in, as people would just as you say get bored after their 20th alt. Vicious circle. My point is that if they were to find a way to avoid or solve the problems arising with phasing out flying mounts, then they should do it, and the game would be better for it.

I'll ask you the same question that I did to Kisho then, tell us how is that possible technically. Azeroth is not a living world that changes everyday.

[Deleted]

I have never missed any "mystery" or "atmosphere" or any other cool looking but empty words. In fact, flying mounts enriched my experience.

[Noxina]

I'd love it if they never implied flying mounts, but removing them now is out of the question.
It would cause a tremendous rage from pretty much everyone playing.

The player base is alot more lazy now than what we was back in Vanilla/TBC, where we had to run to dungeons etc to join. Spamming /LFG for hours for that scholomance run.
And I actually like it, sort of. WoW isnt what it was 6-7 years ago. You can log in - queue up and do your dungeon now. Not like before when you had to log in - spam /LFG to get a group - run on your slow 60% mount (As many people couldnt afford hte 100% one) trough all the continents.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The only way I could see Flying Mounts be removed is adding way points like in Guild Wars II for small outposts. Only way I would except no Flying mounts, oh and they have to give us other ways to get to certain areas flying mounts got us there.


If they take flying mounts away with no... balancing act....NO WAY IN HECK. HORRIBLE IDEA.

[Kisho]

And I still miss the "mystery and exploration" part. Both are gone after you done the zone one time, don't know how it will be different for an alt.

If the world stayed the same, perhaps... I wonder though. Maybe we could get some random events going in the world?

Imagine if random events happened that on your first playthrough, you see one set of events... On a second, you happen to see new things happen. If you were flying, there's every chance you could just miss the event entirely as you flew to your destination. If you're on the ground, you're far more likely to spot these things out of the corner of your eye and go to investigate.

This is what I mean by the world being designed differently if flying mounts didn't exist. If Blizzard tried to do the random events thing with flying mounts, then a lot of people would accidentally fly over them without seeing them. But if Blizzard knew people would be on the ground, going slower so are much more likely to notice stuff as they went past... Well, maybe things could be different.

I don't know. I'm just throwing random ideas out there. There's a lot that could be done.

[Adramalech]

If they ever removed flying mounts without asking I wouldn't oppose to it. But if given the choice of picking "remove" or "not remove", I absolutely oppose. First, I get a much better view of the world by flying than I do by walking. I can not only see things from above, but from whatever perspective I want, including that of a ground mount. I have the option of either flying around some ruins or descend and check them more closely. I'll go and check them if I feel like it. Nothing's forcing me to stay in the air looking at deformed pixels from above.

Second, the fact that one person (or a small group of players) don't like flying mounts for one or another reason doesn't mean those who do like them should be left in the dust. You can opt to walk on your horse. No ifs or buts, do it if you so desire.

Third, many people, like myself, enjoy collecting diverse kinds of mounts (among other things, but that's a different subject for a different thread), many of which are flying, and some of the most impressive mounts in the game are exclusively flying. Removing flying mounts would remove an enormous part of the game for people like myself.

Fourth, flying mounts in TBC were added because they were a popular requested feature by players. Flying mounts in the old world was, again, a much requested feature by us players (much like the revamping of older zones). It'd be a bit of a slap in the face for Blizzard. Imagine being a Blizzard developer, after years of having requests of "flying in the old world PLEASE!", right after adding it hearing "remove flying!!". I, for one, would be quite upset.

And finally, some things have no turning back unless a HUGE chunk of the game is overhauled. The addition of flying is one of those things. Remaking large, and I really mean LARGE amounts of the game just to accomodate the removal of flying mounts is not worth the time, effort or money just to please a couple of people who think their experience is somehow diminished by the existance of flying, when they already have the option of enjoying the view as they wish. What you're asking for is to put everyone down to your liking, no options available, unlike now.

That's all I have to say on this dead horse of a subject.

Flying mounts remove mystery, atmosphere, and danger. The world shrinks entirely when you can fly over it. It becomes boring and dull

This part here. As someone who had the "pleasure" to play before the introduction of flying mounts to the old world, I'll just respectfully, but completely, disagree, and leave it at that.

[Deleted]

There are so many other things that would give people something to do(besides playing pokemon ingame), removing flying mounts is not one of them.

[Yogg-Saron, God of Death]

Your posts are fascinating in that you're not providing any arguments whatsoever, only trying your absolute best to devalue my arguments by mocking me or anyone else who dares disagree with you. Not really the best way to be taken seriously.

I would use arguments if the arguments given by you and the OP were actually.. well, more than arguments that are: or recycled, or full of fallacies, or just outright laced with things like, and I quote,

Why even play an MMO if you dislike the 'world'-part? Just go play a MOBA if all you want is competition and a chat room?

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The only counter-argument this thread needs is: "Don't want it, don't use it.".

The only sentence needed to summarize this thread is: "Convenience > Willpower and enjoyment. Convenience is a bitch.".

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't know. I'm just throwing random ideas out there. There's a lot that could be done.

See what I suggested or else I say no. Sorry Flying Mounts are here to stay unless there was a different way to compensate but still have ground traveling.

[Deleted]

If the world stayed the same, perhaps... I wonder though. Maybe we could get some random events going in the world?

Imagine if random events happened that on your first playthrough, you see one set of events... On a second, you happen to see new things happen. If you were flying, there's every chance you could just miss the event entirely as you flew to your destination. If you're on the ground, you're far more likely to spot these things out of the corner of your eye and go to investigate.

This is what I mean by the world being designed differently if flying mounts didn't exist. If Blizzard tried to do the random events thing with flying mounts, then a lot of people would accidentally fly over them without seeing them. But if Blizzard knew people would be on the ground, going slower so are much more likely to notice stuff as they went past... Well, maybe things could be different.

I don't know. I'm just throwing random ideas out there. There's a lot that could be done.

That... has nothing to do with flying mounts or not. Even after doing an event one time, it gets known and the mystery is lost.