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    2h Frost PvP - Is my gemming/reforging correct?

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Alerac/simple

    I know I have the Cata meta gem but I'm upgrading to the MoP one next week when I buy the Malevolent helmet.

    My stat priority is Haste > crit > mastery.

    I also think my pvp power / resilience is abit off as I'm not sure if I should focus on arenas or rbgs yet. Is it true that in rbgs you should go for pvp power and in arenas pvp resilience?

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    For RBGs you can gem PvP power but for arena I'd recommend gemming resil, so you're correct

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    as frost you hit hard anyway so better to stack resilience as much as you can some times you need to ignore the bonuses like in leg it has red and blue just gem 2x 320 resilience and ignore the bonus 60 res.

    sadly resilience+ blood presence is the only way to survive in arena... otherwise you would be dead by less than 3 secs. For RBGs you could go with either way.I'd go with res even for RBGs

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    You forge for mastery not haste.

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    Screw haste, reforge for mastery. Avoid crit since u get free crits. Having FS/any related frost dmg ability hitting harder is the way to go, not having 0.2 sec less on rune recharge.

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    as a 2h fdk, you go haste > mastery > crit. Crit is undervalued because of KM procs. honestly, for pvp its better to gem resil or resil hybrids as dks are squishy and have very few survivability cds. In rbgs, you'll be focused because fdks are usually the target caller, and in arenas, theyll train you because youre easier to kill. Resil helps. going mastery over haste only benefits DW dks since they dont use obliterate. As a 2H dk, you want haste for both rune regeneration and autoattack damage

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    Well tbh, having 0.5 sec on rune regen and 0.2 on AA speed versus 13% extra dmg on any frost dmging ability my choice was easy.
    I'm not sure why people value haste so much in pvp, i've never not killed my target because i was missing half a rune but i did for not doing enough dmg. 12% is huge for me.

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    Alot of disputing in this thread, but I think I'm going with haste>mastery>crit, seems like the best choice in my eyes.

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    It's mastery > haste.

    Haste doesn't help to increase burst in small windows, which arena is all about at the moment. Then as soon as you're off a target for any amount of time it loses its benefit.

    Mastery gains over haste the less uptime you have. Although I guess uptime isn't much of an issue as dk with all our mobility.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...otoxz/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lsoff/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...izlet/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nkums/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rista/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...aoyne/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Knox/advanced

    I'm sure I could find infinity more if I bothered.

    If you're armorying your hero Another he doesn't play frost. That's why he'd be haste.
    Last edited by Ieft; 2013-01-07 at 02:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ieft View Post
    It's mastery > haste.

    Haste doesn't help to increase burst in small windows, which arena is all about at the moment. Then as soon as you're off a target for any amount of time it loses its benefit.

    Mastery gains over haste the less uptime you have. Although I guess uptime isn't much of an issue as dk with all our mobility.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...otoxz/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lsoff/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...izlet/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nkums/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rista/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...aoyne/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Knox/advanced

    I'm sure I could find infinity more if I bothered.

    If you're armorying your hero Another he doesn't play frost. That's why he'd be haste.
    Thanks alot for your post, I think going after how high rating frost dks reforge is quite useful. I'll think about that next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    Thanks alot for your post, I think going after how high rating frost dks reforge is quite useful. I'll think about that next time.
    I sorta feel like that was sarcasm.

    So here is the other eu dk hero.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...BDjin/advanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ieft View Post
    I sorta feel like that was sarcasm.

    So here is the other eu dk hero.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...BDjin/advanced
    It wasn't sarcasm. :P I don't know many high rated pvp guilds etc so I didn't know where to start looking so I didn't really think about it.

    Edit: what I said made no sense, but let's roll with it.
    Last edited by CaptainCakepie; 2013-01-07 at 03:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ieft View Post
    It's mastery > haste.

    Haste doesn't help to increase burst in small windows, which arena is all about at the moment. Then as soon as you're off a target for any amount of time it loses its benefit.

    Mastery gains over haste the less uptime you have. Although I guess uptime isn't much of an issue as dk with all our mobility.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...otoxz/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lsoff/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...izlet/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nkums/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rista/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...aoyne/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Knox/advanced

    I'm sure I could find infinity more if I bothered.

    If you're armorying your hero Another he doesn't play frost. That's why he'd be haste.
    Most of those DKs are reforged for RBGs.

    The DK that plays with Apsco no longer plays 3s, they're keeping their team at the rating it's at now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dossou View Post
    Most of those DKs are reforged for RBGs.

    The DK that plays with Apsco no longer plays 3s, they're keeping their team at the rating it's at now.
    So how do you think you should reforge?

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    It's mastery if you want to side with the retards w/e have fun gimping yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ieft View Post
    It's mastery if you want to side with the retards w/e have fun gimping yourself.
    Calling others retard doesn't make your point more valid.

    Mastery increases HB/IT, FF and FS damage and if you are not on the target (like you were arguing about haste that diminishes his value) increases only HB/IT and FF damage so mastery loose his value aswell.

    Haste on the other hand has a greater value if you are on the target: faster rune regen, more KM proc, etc

    If you take care about that small window of burst you were talking about to make your point stronger then you should gem pvp power, and we all know that you should gem resilience instead because that small window is too small and way more random to really rely on it.

    On a side note you shouldn't spam HB at all, while IT has his spot, you should burn your runes stacking necrotic strike debuff so mastery is not that great at the end of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon View Post
    So how do you think you should reforge?
    Haste, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ieft View Post
    It's mastery > haste.

    Haste doesn't help to increase burst in small windows, which arena is all about at the moment. Then as soon as you're off a target for any amount of time it loses its benefit.

    Mastery gains over haste the less uptime you have. Although I guess uptime isn't much of an issue as dk with all our mobility.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...otoxz/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lsoff/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...izlet/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nkums/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rista/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...aoyne/advanced
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Knox/advanced

    I'm sure I could find infinity more if I bothered.

    If you're armorying your hero Another he doesn't play frost. That's why he'd be haste.
    Unholy goes mastery too. Mastery > Crit > Haste to be precise.

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