New computer - to buy or not to buy, that is the question. Please help :).

Deleted · 2013-01-06, 05:00 PM

I am planning to buy a new PC soon, and this is what I have found so far. The price is 830gbp (7500dkk).
The PC has to be able to run pretty much everything at high/max with fps of around 40+. I'm curious of whether or not I need to pay more for my requirements.
The price includes screen. I hope you can tell me if I need to dig deeper into my wallet, or if I can save money somewhere. Thanks for your help

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(I live in Denmark, Europe, so prices are much higher compared to US)

Option 1:

Cooler Master Elite 310 black/silver
Silver Power SP-SS500 500W PSU
Intel® Core i5-3570K Processor
MSI B75MA-P45, Socket-1155
Kingston ValueR. DDR3 1333MHz 8GB, CL9
MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB PhysX CUDA
Samsung DVD Writer, SH-224BB

SSD: Crucial v4 SSD 2.5" 128GB SATA 2.0 7mm

Harddisc: Seagate Barracuda® 2TB

Screen: Asus 24" LED VE248H
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Option 2 :

Case
STYLISH PIANO BLACK ENIGMA CASE + 2 FRONT USB

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-3570K (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache

Motherboard
ASUS® P8Z77-M: MICRO-ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX

Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 4GB)

Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 650 Ti - DVI, mHDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE

SSD CACHE DRIVE
20GB INTEL® SSD 313 SERIES - SLC CACHE DRIVE FOR SYSTEM / 1st HDD

1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Power Supply
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan

Processor Cooling
INTEL SOCKET LGA1155 STANDARD CPU COOLER

Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Network Facilities
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs

USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL (MIN 2 FRONT PORTS) AS STANDARD

Monitor
IIYAMA E2273HS 22" LED WIDESCREEN, HDMI/DVI-D 1920x1080 (£119)

Deleted · 2013-01-06, 05:02 PM

EVERYTHING at max is kinda far fetched for Battlefield 3 I think and such titles.

But really otherwise your build is fine.

**n0cturnal** · 2013-01-06, 05:06 PM

B75 chipset motherboard and an unlocked CPU is a bit mismatched.
Crucial v4 is not a SSD I would recommend, it is only SATA2 and you can get something way better for not much extra money.
GTX660 will not be able to run "everything at max". Games like Farcry3 will perhaps give you 30-40fps in ultra settings at 1920x1080.

**Toffie** · 2013-01-06, 05:13 PM

Far Cry 3 have been fixed, drivers provided 40 % more fps, my 680 gets 100-150 fps at everything maxed. But for battlefield 3 & crysis you need a 670/7970 to run at max.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121637 amazing card.

Also, you might know that the new cards are soon coming from amd and nvidia. Much likely in 2 months, if you can wait that long. Just so you know before you make your purchase. The difference in performance should be huge.

**inux94** · 2013-01-06, 09:44 PM

Deleted · 2013-01-06, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by inux94

Hey thanks a lot for your help. Can anybody verify this and tell me if it is good, together with an example of what it can handle?

Thanks again, I appreciate it.

Deleted · 2013-01-06, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Brolyowns

Hey thanks a lot for your help. Can anybody verify this and tell me if it is good, together with an example of what it can handle?

Thanks again, I appreciate it.

The build inux made is good. Should be able to handle just about everything at high/ultra. Altho, i would ditch the SSD and get a better gpu. Imo an ssd should be bought last as it has zero impact on FPS and the like (just faster loading times).

I guess, if you decide to not get a SSD you could go for a 660ti/7950 maybe even an 7970/670.

**Lemmiwink** · 2013-01-06, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by n0cturnal

B75 chipset motherboard and an unlocked CPU is a bit mismatched.
Crucial v4 is not a SSD I would recommend, it is only SATA2 and you can get something way better for not much extra money.
GTX660 will not be able to run "everything at max". Games like Farcry3 will perhaps give you 30-40fps in ultra settings at 1920x1080.

At the price the gtx660 comes with, 40 fps at max settings is more than enough.

Deleted · 2013-01-07, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Brolyowns

Hey thanks a lot for your help. Can anybody verify this and tell me if it is good, together with an example of what it can handle?

Thanks again, I appreciate it.

Yep it looks good, I have bad experiences with that specific vendor but the build itself is fine.

You can use www.edbpriser.dk for price comparison and finding the best deals/vendors.

You'll have to put it all together yourself or find someone to do it, just figured I'd make sure you knew since your first post indicated pre-built systems.

**Bugs** · 2013-01-07, 11:07 AM

I'm running with:
AsRock Z77 Extreme4
Core i5-3570k
8GB Vengeance RAM 1600mhz
GTX 670
Samsung 830 SSD

I'm running on high and not ultra, and I get around 60-90 FPS constantly. I dont wanna drop below 60 FPS since it feels like, for me, that it begins to stutter a little bit.

---------- Post added 2013-01-07 at 12:28 PM ----------

Sorry, apperently I run everything on Ultra and not High

lol

**vesseblah** · 2013-01-07, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Zeara

Altho, i would ditch the SSD and get a better gpu. Imo an ssd should be bought last as it has zero impact on FPS and the like (just faster loading times).

Sounds like somebody has never used computer with SSD in it. Once you have, you'll never ever again want to touch one that doesn't have OS and all your favourite games on SSD because of the increased overall user experience.

Deleted · 2013-01-07, 03:16 PM

So i have been looking at various pages - and people seem to have very different opinions about SSD -
How Does the SSD affect performance? (gaming)
As for startup speed i dont really care if its 10s or 20s as long as its ''relative'' fast

**n0cturnal** · 2013-01-07, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Brolyowns

So i have been looking at various pages - and people seem to have very different opinions about SSD -
How Does the SSD affect performance? (gaming)
As for startup speed i dont really care if its 10s or 20s as long as its ''relative'' fast

The thing about SSD is that it is really hard to understand the benefits it will give you without actually experiencing it on your own, pretty much everyone that has a less than good opinion of SSD are people who doesn't have one. They simply don't understand the difference.

It isn't just faster startup speed, almost everything is faster. Every action you do in windows feels snappier, tabbing out of fullscreen game goes way faster, opening a new program, open a new tab in a browser.

In a game like WoW you get way faster loading screens, when the loading screen is done the textures load instantly, no more waiting around for invisible people when you log in Stormwind or Orgrimmar. Updating an addon in the middle of the raid is something you can do in 10-15sec. Reloading UI in combat when an addon crashes takes maybe 1-2sec.

When your windows install is getting a few months old and you have a bunch of drivers and program auto starting the SDD will still boot up in 15 sec while with a mechanical HDD we are getting closer to a few minutes before everything is fully loaded and responding properly.

No matter how much examples people try to give you simply need to experience it by yourself.

Deleted · 2013-01-07, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by vesseblah

Sounds like somebody has never used computer with SSD in it. Once you have, you'll never ever again want to touch one that doesn't have OS and all your favourite games on SSD because of the increased overall user experience.

Stop making assumptions. Im using a SSD, and im loving it.
However, when on a budget, i would easily ditch the SSD for a better GPU/CPU. Id rather have more power, than faster loading times.

The difference in this case is either a 660/7870 + SSD or a 7950/660ti. I would just get the 7950/660ti and get the SSD later on.

**vesseblah** · 2013-01-07, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zeara

Stop making assumptions. Im using a SSD, and im loving it.

Don't believe it from your previous post where you didn't seem to understand one bit of what n0cturnal wrote just above you.

**Lathais** · 2013-01-07, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by vesseblah

Sounds like somebody has never used computer with SSD in it. Once you have, you'll never ever again want to touch one that doesn't have OS and all your favourite games on SSD because of the increased overall user experience.

Whether I have used one or not does not change the fact that it will not increase game performance in the least. Only load times. I have no problems with load times as that is usually when I stretch my legs, which is something I(and probably most gamers) already do not do enough of. If your primary concern is being able to run games on Ultra with 60+ FPS on as small a budget as possible an SSD is probably not a good option. Others have tried to tell me, but it's not that much more than a regular HD so you aren't spending that much more. However, if all you have is an SSD in your system and no secondary storage, you will run out of space fast. So in reality, an SSD costs an extra $100+ on any system build for 0 increase in FPS.

Now, am I saying that I think they are trash and unnecessary? Not at all. They are an excellent addition to any system, but can be bought after the fact and added in. If you have a budget under $800-1000ish, you may be better server not getting it, getting a really beefy system, then adding it in a couple months or so.

Deleted · 2013-01-07, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by vesseblah

Don't believe it from your previous post where you didn't seem to understand one bit of what n0cturnal wrote just above you.

I understand perfectly fine that an SSD has ZERO influence on game performance, except for loading times and the like. Which is something you dont seem to understand from what im posting, so i will do it again.

I think that when you are on a budget, you should not get an ssd when that means getting a worse GPU or CPU. You can easily add an SSD later on.

It might seem that for WoW an SSD has some extra benefits, but seeing as the OP stating he wants to play just about everything on high/max settings, he is imo better of with a better gpu than an SSD. He could just get the SSD later on.

Deleted · 2013-01-07, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zeara

I understand perfectly fine that an SSD has ZERO influence on game performance, except for loading times and the like. Which is something you dont seem to understand from what im posting, so i will do it again.

I think that when you are on a budget, you should not get an ssd when that means getting a worse GPU or CPU. You can easily add an SSD later on.

What about just adding a storage drive later on? In the past that argument didn't really work because SSD were a lot more more expensive but today you can get a 120GB drive for around $100 so not that much difference compared to buying a good HDD. 120GB is enough for OS, programs and a few games easily.

While we all agree in most cases an SSD technically has zero influence on performance (like better FPS) there is still a gain from smoothing everything out, making things snappier, tabbing quicker etc. to me that is some sort of "performance gain" even if it's not measurable.

**Lemmiwink** · 2013-01-07, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Notarget

What about just adding a storage drive later on? In the past that argument didn't really work because SSD were a lot more more expensive but today you can get a 120GB drive for around $100 so not that much difference compared to buying a good HDD. 120GB is enough for OS, programs and a few games easily.

While we all agree in most cases an SSD technically has zero influence on performance (like better FPS) there is still a gain from smoothing everything out, making things snappier, tabbing quicker etc. to me that is some sort of "performance gain" even if it's not measurable.

It's all about the feel. Having to wait a few seconds when you can get it instantly is a waste of time and getting it instantly will save you hours upon hours in the course of a year, meaning you can spend those hours getting better at gaming instead

Deleted · 2013-01-07, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Notarget

What about just adding a storage drive later on? In the past that argument didn't really work because SSD were a lot more more expensive but today you can get a 120GB drive for around $100 so not that much difference compared to buying a good HDD. 120GB is enough for OS, programs and a few games easily.

Ye, i geuss that is also a possibility nowadays. That way you dont have to reinstall windows aswell.

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