By hard Im talking like, landing on the aircraft carrier in Top Gun or completing Ghosts n' Goblins on your first life.
I think you should be looking into action games or something, difficulty really isn't a focus of MMOs. Or RPGs in general really.
In an MMO what people describe as "difficulty" is usually just bad design. The only things that are "hard" in WoW relate to RNG or ridiculously long grinds (not many examples of either of these left in the game because everyone hates that kind of thing). That's not hard, just shitty.
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Originally Posted by lopk
This thread is proof that no one reads OP.
Oh my God, like seriously, he wrote one sentence and you all can't even...
Anyway, it seems to me that MMO's aren't very difficult. The majority of difficulty comes from lack of gear, which is false difficulty.
I personally think that WoW heroic raiding is some of the hardest things I've done, but that's just me.
I agree with you, but heroic raiding is only difficult in a progression sense because again, you're trying to beat content early ie while still undergeared.
The main ACTUAL difficulty of raiding is getting all the right people online at the right time with the right mix of classes in the right gear and no lag spikes. And then coordinating them, communicating effectively with each other, avoiding guild drama... which is INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLY HARD, but not really in a gameplay sense. I reckon if you could somehow control 10 players at once all by yourself, a full heroic clear would actually be pretty easy. It's teamwork that's the challenge.
Originally Posted by Tojara
Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
You won't find anything current that's harder than WoW's end game. EVE is a lot more complex, but EVE really should be it's own genre, it's nothing like any other MMO out there. Everquest 1 has a really small playerbase but it's content is more difficult, or it was last I checked. Everquest 2 has some difficult content and some really easy content. Final Fantasy XI (I think it's XI that wasn't the complete failure ya?) had some really difficult content as well. The thing is that those games tend to require a much larger time commitment than WoW as well.
There are probably some PvP MMOs out there that are harsh and unforgiving, but I can't think of any mainstream examples. Any of the big budget MMO releases tend to suffer from underestimating their playerbase and releasing undertuned content that's cleared almost as soon as it's released and leaves players extremely bored within a week or two of the first batch of people hitting level cap, which is why most of them go Free to Play within the first year and gone forever in the second.
FFXI wasn't all too hard as it was time consuming and you had to have a group for absolutely everything you do in the game. 2-3 hour boss fights where you are constantly subbing in new parties takes some serious coordination. I remember my first raid in WoW and I was like really? That was only like 10 minutes.
LOL this is so true it kind of hurts. Me and my linkshell in CoP gave Absolute Virtue a go. Only one go. It didn't end well after the Jailer of Love had already almost kicked our asses.