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  1. #1041
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphyxiate View Post
    @Psynx Craft a weapon or cap conquest and buy a 660 one?

    But no, you won't be pulling 29k in your gear, especially not single target fights like butcher. I'm not sure how bad DW is at the moment but it's definitely weaker aoe than UH and weaker single target than 2H/UH.

    I'd say just cap conquest and you should be able to buy a weapon then go and learn UH, It's better than 6/7 fights in Highmaul and on par with 2H frost for butcher.
    If you craft a 630 weapon the upgrade costs are prohibitive at this point. As for PvP'ing, I have zero pvp gear and while I guess I could go spend a few weeks grinding out to get a 660 weapon by then BRF will be here. So really I'm pretty well fucked in any chance at getting into a raiding guild for this xpac. Oh well, I guess when 7.0 hits I can look again.

  2. #1042
    Quote Originally Posted by Psynyx View Post
    If you craft a 630 weapon the upgrade costs are prohibitive at this point. As for PvP'ing, I have zero pvp gear and while I guess I could go spend a few weeks grinding out to get a 660 weapon by then BRF will be here. So really I'm pretty well fucked in any chance at getting into a raiding guild for this xpac. Oh well, I guess when 7.0 hits I can look again.
    Lol why even play the game if that's your mentality? If you want to be a raider you have to put in effort outside of raid to maximise your dps. You don't need pvp gear to pvp, sure you might have to find a patient 2s partner and you might have to lose a few games to drop mmr but you'll get to a point where you can beat the opponents or they don't connect to the game or stuff like that. But if you'd rather do LFR and normal for the entire xpac and complain that getting a weapon is too hard then by all means be my guest, no skin off my back. And if you utilized your garrison you can craft your own weapon + upgrades for 0 gold, it'll take ages getting the 30 bloods from your level 3 barn but if you don't want to spend gold and you don't want to pvp and you aren't getting LFR or normal mode drops then I guess that's another option.

    Also if you set your loot specialization to Unholy you can't get 1 handed weapons, only 2handers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphyxiate View Post
    Lol why even play the game if that's your mentality? If you want to be a raider you have to put in effort outside of raid to maximise your dps. You don't need pvp gear to pvp, sure you might have to find a patient 2s partner and you might have to lose a few games to drop mmr but you'll get to a point where you can beat the opponents or they don't connect to the game or stuff like that. But if you'd rather do LFR and normal for the entire xpac and complain that getting a weapon is too hard then by all means be my guest, no skin off my back. And if you utilized your garrison you can craft your own weapon + upgrades for 0 gold, it'll take ages getting the 30 bloods from your level 3 barn but if you don't want to spend gold and you don't want to pvp and you aren't getting LFR or normal mode drops then I guess that's another option.

    Also if you set your loot specialization to Unholy you can't get 1 handed weapons, only 2handers.
    I know how to set loot specialization, did you look at my armory? Did you see how many times I've done a full clear or at least 6/7 in normal and heroic? I have used every coin available to try and get a weapon since HM has opened and haven't gotten a weapon upgrade. The 2 645 weapons that I do have came from mission boxes. Moreover, I've yet to see using the in-game or OpenRaid raid finder anyone using personal loot. It is always need > greed. Again, if you had actually looked at my armory you can see the incredible fuck shit luck I've had at getting gear.

    So save your condensing jackass remark that I haven't put in any effort or work to try and raid. Absolutely ZERO guilds on A52 will consider you at this point without Ahead of the Curve or pugs or being able to do 29k+ dps and according to the guilds that have at least let me trial, they believe that my gear I should do that. So perhaps you haven't a single clue at being able to evaluate gear and potential DPS.

    Which leads me to the original question - what do I need to do with my rotation to get 29k dps out of this gear.

  4. #1044
    Quote Originally Posted by Psynyx View Post
    I know how to set loot specialization, did you look at my armory? Did you see how many times I've done a full clear or at least 6/7 in normal and heroic? I have used every coin available to try and get a weapon since HM has opened and haven't gotten a weapon upgrade. The 2 645 weapons that I do have came from mission boxes. Moreover, I've yet to see using the in-game or OpenRaid raid finder anyone using personal loot. It is always need > greed. Again, if you had actually looked at my armory you can see the incredible fuck shit luck I've had at getting gear.

    So save your condensing jackass remark that I haven't put in any effort or work to try and raid. Absolutely ZERO guilds on A52 will consider you at this point without Ahead of the Curve or pugs or being able to do 29k+ dps and according to the guilds that have at least let me trial, they believe that my gear I should do that. So perhaps you haven't a single clue at being able to evaluate gear and potential DPS.

    Which leads me to the original question - what do I need to do with my rotation to get 29k dps out of this gear.
    I never said you didn't know how to use loot specialization but seeing as you didn't explain HOW you got 2x 1handers it was a fair assumption that you had your loot spec set to frost and got them in your numerous Highmaul clears. I'm not saying you didn't put effort into killing bosses but you're dismissing the idea of PvP'ing for a GUARANTEED 660ilvl weapon. If you were willing to do LFR/Normal/Heroic that many times, I'm sure you can manage a day of PvP for a weapon if you want to raid.

    If you have trouble finding groups link your Mythic Kargath achievement, they wont question your lack of AotC and maybe you should make use of openraid or built in raid finder.

    As for gear, you haven't enchanted your neck, your gear is enchanted for multistrike but you're gemmed into mastery, I believe that Mastery is your highest stat priority but you might want to sim your own character to check.

    As for logs, I'm looking at butcher and you only used 1 potion, your defile uptime can be higher, your blood plague uptime is 40% which is waaay too low, it should be 95%+ or more, you can easily get more soul reapers off, and did you really need to Empower Rune Weapon at 3 seconds into the fight? I doubt you were rune starved that early into the fight. You also capped your runic power about 6 times throughout the fight. Plague Leech usage was also low, use it when you're rune starved and reapply diseases with Outbreak or Howling Blast+Plague Strike. Not sure why you're wasting GCDs on Horn of Winter, it no longer generates RP. Not sure why, but I don't see ANY blood tap uses in your logs. This would be a massive loss of dps since you aren't regenerating any runes with that talent. You're using Oblit WAY too much, as DW you focus on Howling Blast and Frost Strike, only using Oblit to keep Unholy Runes on Cooldown, your Killing Machine procs should also be prioritised for Frost Strike.
    Last edited by Axphyxiate; 2015-01-13 at 03:37 AM.

  5. #1045
    Psynyx you came to this forum asking for help. You got given valid responses. Either don't misconstrue what is said and take the advice or get fucked.

  6. #1046
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphyxiate View Post
    I never said you didn't know how to use loot specialization but seeing as you didn't explain HOW you got 2x 1handers it was a fair assumption that you had your loot spec set to frost and got them in your numerous Highmaul clears. I'm not saying you didn't put effort into killing bosses but you're dismissing the idea of PvP'ing for a GUARANTEED 660ilvl weapon. If you were willing to do LFR/Normal/Heroic that many times, I'm sure you can manage a day of PvP for a weapon if you want to raid.

    If you have trouble finding groups link your Mythic Kargath achievement, they wont question your lack of AotC and maybe you should make use of openraid or built in raid finder.

    As for gear, you haven't enchanted your neck, your gear is enchanted for multistrike but you're gemmed into mastery, I believe that Mastery is your highest stat priority but you might want to sim your own character to check.

    As for logs, I'm looking at butcher and you only used 1 potion, your defile uptime can be higher, your blood plague uptime is 40% which is waaay too low, it should be 95%+ or more, you can easily get more soul reapers off, and did you really need to Empower Rune Weapon at 3 seconds into the fight? I doubt you were rune starved that early into the fight. You also capped your runic power about 6 times throughout the fight. Plague Leech usage was also low, use it when you're rune starved and reapply diseases with Outbreak or Howling Blast+Plague Strike. Not sure why you're wasting GCDs on Horn of Winter, it no longer generated RP. Not sure why, but I don't see ANY blood tap uses in your logs. This would be a massive loss of dps since you aren't regenerating any runes of the fight with that talent. You're using Oblit WAY too much, as DW you focus on Howling Blast and Frost Strike, only using Oblit to keep Unholy Runes on Cooldown, your Killing Machine procs should also be prioritised for Frost Strike.
    Str Mast Multi Vers Haste Crit
    5.37 2.37 2.19 1.92 1.79 1.54

    Ranking Str > Mastery > Mult > Vers > Haste > Crit


    That's what I got for Psynyx on a Patchwerk Single target fight (ie Butcher) at Average skill level, 300 second fight, 250,000 iterations.

    DPS number came out at around 25.6k
    Last edited by mmoc9bef67a441; 2015-01-12 at 07:20 PM.

  7. #1047
    Hey guys, been quite a while since I dpsed on my DK. Normally blood, so my gemming is mastery focused on shared pieces.

    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Zarania/simple (I'll try to remember to log out in dps gear for the next bit, usually a tank)
    Spec: Unholy
    World of Logs: Specific parses will be linked below https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking.../latest#boss=0
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):

    Note: I just got Tectus's Beating Heart normal to replace a heroic blue this week, was using it on last 3 bosses.

    I know I need to work on my opener. I should prepot / Defile, outbreak, FeS, Gargoyle, into normal. I also know I need to watch my Gargoyle timer better, I have a few fights where I could have used it better, same with ERW.

    Sorry for the twitch stream not having any sound, forgot I had muted my mic while eating and didn't turn it back on.

    Kargath:
    http://www.twitch.tv/zarania/b/608005083?t=7m18s
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e-done&fight=1
    I wouldn't really look into this one, we shit on the stands so hard no one got to really dps there. My diseases fell off up there and I notice, so makes sense there.

    Butcher:
    http://www.twitch.tv/zarania/b/608005083?t=22m37s
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e-done&fight=4
    This week I did slightly better on normal, but fight was so short so that's probably why. I did cap on runes at one point, so that wasn't the best of me. However, the big thing I see is that I have less Death Coils than I think I should, but I'm not seeing any other huge mistakes. If anyone has any comments on what to do better, this is probably the best fight to look at.

    Brackenspore:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    Brackenspore through Twins I have no recording, I was tanking those fights. Using normal mode for here through Twins. I did pretty well here I think, though the almost 50% spore uptime is probably why. Delayed my second garg to synch with the second spore, should have delayed my potion a bit more as well.

    Tectus:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    We blew them all up at once. I think I did pretty well here, though the motes could have been stacked better. As well, my defile usage could have been better. I should have timed my garg for when we popped hero, and used my second potion better.

    Twin Ogron:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    I have the Tectus normal trinket here. I think I did well on this one, though I have more runic capping than I'd like due to more GCDs eaten by BB.

    Ko'ragh
    http://www.twitch.tv/zarania/b/608005083?t=1h28m36s
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    I did the NP cheese here. Not sure how much you're supposed to FeS to keep the 15 stack rolling vs letting it drop. My general plan was to use FeS until adds where out then BB spam, seemed to work pretty well. I think I should do that but also watch my UB timer better to get more SS out when UB is about to be ready to quickly restack.

    Should have used second garg better and second potion.

    Imperator Margok
    http://www.twitch.tv/zarania/b/608005083?t=22m37s
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    Only used two gargoyles. Should have used 4. Changing around my auras to remind me when it's ready soon. I did not cheese damage on the adds. I capped on runic a few times, probably could have managed this to be better.

    That's what I'm thinking is happening, but I feel like I should be able to pull more besides those mistakes pointed out above. It could just be gear possibly since I'm still below 660 for my dps set, but besides what I commented on above is there anything you all can see?

  8. #1048
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...er/Skul/simple
    Spec: Unholy
    World of Logs:
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...?s=4337&e=4741 - Mythic Twins + Early heroics
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/0...um/damageDone/ - Full Heroic clear

    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC): I seem to be struggling to keep up with my Mythic team as of late DPS wise. I have dropped from doing top 5 dps at the start of the raid tier to slowly but surely going lower and lower. Gear upgrades (non weapon) seem to have a very nil effect on my performance DPS. My DPS seems to have stagnated and I am worried that at this rate as others match gear and learn fights my DPS ranking is going to drop very low (I tend to be a much quicker learner than others and as such have a strong grip on the fight and thus perform better early on, which I am now losing).

    What is wrong with my DPS in general? Is my up-time low? I KNOW my gearing is piss-poor right now as I did not craft gear and reroll into M&M secondaries. I am realizing now as I pick up whatever the raid drops that this might have been a big mistake (or does it not mean much?). I have attempted to match my spell usage to other DKs ranking and such in logs and I just do not have the knowledge / understanding to see what is such a huge difference.

    How should I proceed from here in order to start seeing improvement? Would re-gearing to BOEs with M&M make a difference?
    Last edited by Skul; 2015-01-12 at 10:26 PM.

  9. #1049
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Impzor/simple
    Spec: Unholy
    World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=11 - You can check the heroic run from that week too.
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC): I'm quite new to playing dk, as I only started playing it at the start of this expansion because my guild required a dk. I've been loving the class so far but I feel I'm not doing the best possible dps. I started playing as frost 2h, but after hearing unholy is better on most fights I have switched to that instead. The problem is that I was having a lot less problem playing as frost (seems easier to play, less spells and less things to track) than when playing unholy (need to track a lot of stuff). I discovered this week I need to use blood boil a lot more often on multi target fights, which has boosted my dps quite a bit, but it still feels quite underwhelming. It could be that it's just my lack of gear, but I feel I'm doing something wrong.

    Any advice would be much appreciated!

  10. #1050
    Armory:nada
    Spec: Frost
    World of Logs: nada
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC)
    just a question about frost 2h dps, ive read many but never got the right answer..*weak English*, Should i always keep 1 rune combo for an obliterate at all times so i can use it for a KM proc or should i be just spending it as soon as i get it. not sure if am asking this question the right away..hold on to runes or just use em as i get them ofc avoid capping and such..

  11. #1051
    All you guys posting your logs, I certainly commend you. I am just reading some of the comments and picking up tips on how to improve my DPS on my DK. To be ilevel 648 I know I am f ing it up left and right. Will certainly make a more conscientious effort to get rid of some of this haste gear and mastery gear. Going to need to adjust my talents as well seems I picked wrong here and there. Thank you all who are providing the various critiques even if you don't know it your helping the masses that haven't spoken up yet.

    Let me get my "rotation" down before submitting logs for review.

  12. #1052
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ivity/advanced
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...980959/latest/ - This week's mythic kills I've gone Frost to get used to it after the UH nerf, so thats partially why its low this week.

    I know my overall soul reaper usage isn't quite as good as it could be, but I really feel I'm missing something big, and my DPS is consistently terrible. Not sure what I'm missing that explains why im so much lower than everyone else.

  13. #1053
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    @Skul, Glyph of Blood Boil is nice for cleave fights, You don't really have anything to dispel in Highmaul so Icy Touch glyph seems a waste of a slot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhetoric View Post
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ivity/advanced
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...980959/latest/ - This week's mythic kills I've gone Frost to get used to it after the UH nerf, so thats partially why its low this week.

    I know my overall soul reaper usage isn't quite as good as it could be, but I really feel I'm missing something big, and my DPS is consistently terrible. Not sure what I'm missing that explains why im so much lower than everyone else.
    From what I can see, You were not assigned to be hurled into the stands and deal with adds.

    One thing I noticed was your defile usage. 15 isn't a bad number but by the length of the fight you probably could of got another 3 possibly 4 in.
    Last edited by mmoc9bef67a441; 2015-01-14 at 01:12 AM.

  14. #1054

    Mythic Butcher DPS

    compared to other classes i feel like DK's fall behind other melee in a single target tank and spank fight, Whats everyone pulling on this fight? ilvl and spec

    i'd like to know i'm pulling 28k at 670 ilvl on butcher and i feel like im doing something wrong

  15. #1055
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    Logs would really help.

  16. #1056
    Quote Originally Posted by okokokokokok View Post
    Whats everyone pulling on this fight? ilvl and spec
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...et=3&boss=1706

  17. #1057
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    I'm also feeling the strain on this fight, did 31 wipes on it last night with 676 ilvl and the only way I could scrape my way up the meters too 30k was by timing every trinket proc and cool down with the fight

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pyN3AkGMPR79HBWV

    - - - Updated - - -

    If you look at the actual rankings then 30k+ puts you in around the top 100 dk's on that fight so its a problem with the class mainly. Hit 34k and your ranked number 1 :P Aslong as your doing over 29k your in the safe zone, but I completely agree with you, its a week one for us coupled with the fact as frost our sim dps vastly differs from our actual performance dps so everyone in your guild like mine are probably wondering why your not doing the 34k you sim at without taking the time to actually research the class.

  18. #1058
    Quote Originally Posted by ToxxicDetoxx View Post
    I'm also feeling the strain on this fight, did 31 wipes on it last night with 676 ilvl and the only way I could scrape my way up the meters too 30k was by timing every trinket proc and cool down with the fight

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pyN3AkGMPR79HBWV

    - - - Updated - - -

    If you look at the actual rankings then 30k+ puts you in around the top 100 dk's on that fight so its a problem with the class mainly. Hit 34k and your ranked number 1 :P Aslong as your doing over 29k your in the safe zone, but I completely agree with you, its a week one for us coupled with the fact as frost our sim dps vastly differs from our actual performance dps so everyone in your guild like mine are probably wondering why your not doing the 34k you sim at without taking the time to actually research the class.
    Well you should really be doing more dps than that as frost 2h, try blood tap next time

  19. #1059
    Quote Originally Posted by ToxxicDetoxx View Post
    I'm also feeling the strain on this fight, did 31 wipes on it last night with 676 ilvl and the only way I could scrape my way up the meters too 30k was by timing every trinket proc and cool down with the fight

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pyN3AkGMPR79HBWV

    - - - Updated - - -

    If you look at the actual rankings then 30k+ puts you in around the top 100 dk's on that fight so its a problem with the class mainly. Hit 34k and your ranked number 1 :P Aslong as your doing over 29k your in the safe zone, but I completely agree with you, its a week one for us coupled with the fact as frost our sim dps vastly differs from our actual performance dps so everyone in your guild like mine are probably wondering why your not doing the 34k you sim at without taking the time to actually research the class.
    Boss hit 35% around 2mins 30secs into the fight and you only have 7 soul reapers used

    Quick glance I noticed at least 3+ wasted killing machine procs on Frost Strike, but I did not review the whole fight, if you want to improve I would say to do so (use event view to line things up)

    Also 34k on butcher would not make him rank 1, but it would be the top 30 or so. Top parses for frost (and unholy) are pushing 37k.
    Last edited by Eklypto; 2015-01-14 at 04:56 PM.

  20. #1060
    Question at ilevel 648 where should my DPS be at? I made some of the changes recommended to others yesterday, changed some talents, and started trying to get use to the rotation recommended. I was at about 13K on the first Butcher, then the second kill I was at around 15K before I died. I am in the process of gemming and changing out mastery heavy gear for more multistrike gear. Unfortunately my damn mastery is like 30 to 13 on multistrike, I will be changing out my 645 weapon today for a crafted axe and upgrading it twice. Also in terms of DPS for DK's do we start high on DPS and settle in or do we normally start at the middle of the pack and move up the dps charts as the fight progresses. I ask because I noticed yesterday I was moving up the DPS charts as the fight was going on, but wasn't sure if it was me getting more comfortable with the rotation or others just screwing up.

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