The Legion needs close proximity to the planet to sense the magic, it's reasonable to assume that the detection range somewhat correlates with the amount of arcane energies present.So then how did Talgath sense Draenei magic from the Orc planet without actually going there? When he reports his finding to Kil'Jaeden he has no idea that the Draenei are currently on the planet. Kil'Jaeden orders Talgath there afterwards to find out.
Seriously your straw man arguments are pathetic. If they could track Draenei magic as easily as you suggested they would never have needed 1000 years to discover Draenor. The fact that they needed this long and the fact that we even managed to survive and elude them for 25 millennia proves they can't just track us wherever we go.
Soo... you would call us Germans victims as well? We didn't have to say much, if we did speak up, SS would shut us up.Nope. Only the 12 clan chieftains drank the blood after being tricked by Gul'dan. Nobody else drank the blood. All the other Orcs infected with the corruption had no say in it.
So....
"Voices of the Warsong! Come forth! Not a one of you will be denied this ecstasy!"
The Warsong warriors rushed forward, all eager to feel what their chieftain was feeling. The cup was passed around, and one by one. they drank. Each one shuddered for a moment in deep pain; each one passed through that pain to apparent delight and obviously in¬creased strength. And the eyes of every one who drank turned a blazing red. Blackhand watched, his frown increasing. When the last of the Warsongs had drunk from the cup
Blackhand clutched his throat for a moment, but stayed completely silent while whatever dark magic was in the cup did its hell¬ish duty. He had removed his armor, and the muscles rippling and growing beneath his taut green skin were clearly visible. Red eyes glowed when he finally looked up. He motioned to his sons, and Maim and Rend shoved other ores perfunctorily out of their way as they rushed forward
And then it breezes past all the other clans while Durotan and Drek'thar whisper to each other. Everyone but Orgrim, Blackhand's daughter, and the Frostwolves are implied or stated to have drank the blood.
That actually supports my point the two subjects have nothing to do with each other, nothing. The compare goes moot, mentioning the genocide is moot, ... one could've compared with any war or genocide (because after war is peace and harmony at some point; usually indeed less than a century) but the OP specifically decided to link with this one. Completely unnecessary.
Is that why it says 'Voices of the Warsong! Come forth!"? If that's the original English text then Christie Golden is not the "goddess of warcraft literature'', as some people have said. Or, maybe it just proves what I meant when I said that that title was not a hard thing to earn.....
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STRESS
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it
Under normal circumstances, the Legion requires massive amounts of magic usage to draw their attention. Apparently they are more acutely tuned into Draenei magic because it is their own race. Even when the Draenei try to hide their magic, the Legion can detect it.
By your close proximity theory: "Velen and his draenei settled upon a remote and peaceful world" http://www.wowpedia.org/Draenei If Talgath was right there at this remote planet, why wouldn't he confirm/discount the Draenei presence before going back to Kil'jaeden? This makes no sense.
In those 25,000 years before finding the Orc planet, every time they landed on a planet, the Legion arrived shortly thereafter. They were only able to elude the Legion each time because they "had gotten wind of the approach."
And you claim I use straw man arguments. The general Orc population was infected with the blood curse against their will. It's a pandemic that turns the infected into giant green rage monsters and even passes on to their offspring.
"A Blood Curse is contagious; even though only twelve clan chieftains personally drank Mannoroth's blood, nearly every orc in the Horde was soon under its influence." http://www.wowpedia.org/Blood_Curse
"There, twelve clan chieftains of the orc Horde drank from Mannoroth’s blood and fell prey to the curse of bloodlust. Their corruption quickly spread to the rest of the Horde and ultimately led to their ill-fated assault on the human kingdoms on Azeroth." http://www.wowwiki.com/Mannoroth
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much like in real life, both sides have a valid point.
Orcs are upset because they feel the Draenei basically damned them. they led the demons(who the orcs never pissed off) to their homeworld and then the demons corrupted their people. nowadays the Orcs are trying to regain what they had before demonic intervention (when they were at relative peace with the Draenei btw... relative..not absolute) and nobody, the self-proclaimed ultra-good anti-demons Draenei included, seem to be willing to give them a fair shake. the squidies even allied with some massive xenophobes and are now waging active war against the Orcs. they feel that they were duped by people they didn't understand were evil-incarnate and now when they just want to get back to square one, everyone is continuing to hold that mistake over their heads. we've all made mistake and the Orcs are paying for their, in their opinion, more than is justified. they do have a point.
the Draenei remember having been almost driven to extinction by demons once before and pushed nearly to the brink a second time by allies of demons... well that's a pretty good reason not to trust that second race, especially when they did occasionally wage war on your people even without demon influence. they also know via humans that this same race then wandered through a portal and slaughtered massive numbers of humans, elves, and dwarves due to the manipulations of demons. not exactly a good reason to start trusting them now. yeah they claim to be better now and trying to be more peaceful, but it's hard to trust demonic allies since demons are known to deceive. also the Orcs are not trying to be peaceful, they are trying to be MORE peaceful. so yeah "aww come on, i'll stop kicking everyone's ass quite so much" isn't exactly what the Draenei are looking to hear from an empire that was based on wholesale slaughter not too long ago. they also, have a point.
neither side is right or wrong, the Draenei are being paranoid(with reason) and the Orcs are being sullen(with reason).
"There, twelve clan chieftains of the orc Horde drank from Mannoroth’s blood and fell prey to the curse of bloodlust. Their corruption quickly spread to the rest of the Horde and ultimately led to their ill-fated assault on the human kingdoms on Azeroth." http://www.wowwiki.com/Mannoroth
I was trying to find the one I linked previously in the thread. I remember because the source on wowpedia was missing. This 1 is sourced to Shadows & Light.
EDIT: Shadows & Light not Rise of the Horde.
this is pretty much the only logical way of looking at this debate. All others will just see things from a bias perspective.
Sometimes wow players live there faction a little to much, and forget they have the ability to see the story from both sides.
Then again some people are just self opinionated and want to just win every argument.
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