Originally Posted by
Blitond
This is about RBG's and not PvP in general and certainly not about 2's or 3's
I still think Elemental needs some love/QoL changes, but not because they are weak in RBG's.
DK's have a finite amount of purges where as elemental doesn't (barring going oom). It also means they aren't using Howling Blast. Elemental can purge 2 buffs instead of 1 as well (although its getting nerfed in 5.2).
It's a ranged interrupt, whereas most others aren't.
There are plenty of maps where CL gets used as much if not more than LB; choke points, flags, cart spawns are just a few examples. Its pretty rare that CL doesn't hit at least 3 people. I'll admit that that some of it is "meter padding" since it can just as likely hit pets as players, but this also means we have a 7 stack fulmination ready to unload on a kill target at any given time.
Hex has it's pros and cons. Personally I don't know why they kept the 45 second CD on hex this expansion, but i agree it should not have a cooldown. I'd still rather have hex than polymorph in an RBG.
Wrong. 4 classes can dispel magic (all healers + shadow priest), where as only 3 can decurse. Hex is amazing for CCing mages/resto shaman/resto druids and forcing a trinket knowing their pally/MW/priest healers can't dispel it, where as any magic CC could be.
If you think that the only use for thunderstorm is knocking people off cliffs then you are grossly underestimating the spell. Separating healers, knocking flag carriers in a bad position, peals for your healer, knocking people off flags, knocking people out of LoS, ranging overextending melee from their heals, and interrupting Aura Mastery effects are just a few uses of TS. I hardly ever use TS to try and knock people off the center of EoTS or off LM; mainly because 1) people aren't stupid enough to put themselves in a position to get knocked off cliffs in RBGs and 2) even if they were, you put yourself in a bad position by running in there to TS.
Yeah WW for FCs or for novas/pet novas isn't good. Or Stormlash on large engagements isn't good. Or Magma totem to defend flags isn't good. Or 10% reduced fire/frost/nature damage + a heal isn't good. Or earthbind/earthgrab isn't good for helping your healers kite or slowing people off your FC.......
Because your healers are never CCd right? HS heals for a descent amount if you have clearcasting up. Our job isn't to spam heals, but not dropping some while your healers are in a pinch is just poor play. We also have HTT or AG for large skirmishes. A Rogue/DK/Hunter/Mage/Lock/Warrior will never be able to spot heal in a pinch.
If you pop ascendance while CS is off CD and a mage is around, then you deserve to get locked out imo. If you are always the kill target then your team is at a HUGE advantage. 1) You can still purge/windsear while being focused. 2) If they are tunneling you then they aren't tunneling your healers, leaving them more time for heals/CC 3) If most melee overextend, then its their death sentence: Thunderstorm + root then target swap the melee for an easy kill while they out-ranged their heals.
You say that you can't use CL because you can't get it to hit more than 1 person, but then ask for a droppable AoE? I'm not following your logic. I agree EQ needs an overhaul, but not because RBG's
Personally I'd take DD burst over DoT any day (which is what we have with CL). I agree with giving elemental some dispel protection of Flame Shock, but its an insignificant factor in RBGs since Spriests/locks bring it for you.
That very well might be the case for your RBG comp, but it isn't indicative to every comp. Elemental can do just fine in a range or DoT heavy team. If you only look at the cons a class/spec brings then you would have a hard time filling any team. Elementals largest con in PvP is their survivability/trainability, which is largely negated by peals from your teammates (which should be in abundance in an RBG). I'm not saying Elemental is the OMGSUPERAMAZINGOP spec, just that it's viable in RBG's with the right comp.
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Everything is going to get replaced by WW and Rogues if they release the patch as is.