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    Quote Originally Posted by Aftonflickan View Post
    I just had non-essential surgery in my chest (a procedure which took around 2 hours of operating) and it left me with a bill of around 15 USD... lol
    So tell me, why does socialized medicine suck again? This procedure would've cost around 6000 dollars if I had funded it privately....
    It's based in the american peoples reluctance to pay taxes. Both socialized and private healthcare are good to have. Private is probably for those that can afford it, as it might give you aid faster and lets you have your own doctor, not 15 different ones. That's the case here in Sweden anyway. The only problem we have is how understaffed non-private healthcare is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantian View Post
    "I heard somewhere people wait a year for surgery, it must be true!"

    Except it's not. Anecdotal evidence is worthless for a reason.
    Indeed, the actual data I've seen suggests that Canadians typically have shorter wait times for non-elective procedures than Americans (to use one example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noomz View Post
    It's based in the american peoples reluctance to pay taxes. Both socialized and private healthcare are good to have. Private is probably for those that can afford it, as it might give you aid faster and lets you have your own doctor, not 15 different ones. That's the case here in Sweden anyway. The only problem we have is how understaffed non-private healthcare is.
    You guys have a combined system that covers basic healthcare but provides better options if you can afford it, yeah? That's always seemed like the best of all worlds to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teh piemore View Post
    Probably has something to do with the fucking 9 month wait time for a hernia operation. Its fucking out-patient surgery. Just ask my step dad about that shit.
    You have the choice between public or private clinics. You could avoid waiting by paying for it. Be happy you've got the choice.

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    Because it's a sign of the end of the times and it means that the reds are finally getting their hold on america. Quick, get your guns and stay true to the good ol' american way.

    Sad part is, I'm not exaggerating. Even here, in Europe, some people think socialized anything is a sign that the communists are taking over and turning it into a dictatorship. lulz

    Someone had to pay for it.. Free stuff is only awesome for the one getting it. Isn't it obvious that those who had to paid for it complain and don't want it..
    Everyone having to pay taxes so that society as a whole can live better, by avoiding that an individual has to spend thousands of dollars into healthcare in case of need, seems like a very good investment to me.

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    I would love socialized health care. Love it.

    What we are getting crammed down our throats in America is not socialized health care. We are being forced to buy insurance. There is a huge difference.

    Our corporate and banking overlords hate socialism because it takes power and money away from them. Plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakia View Post
    Threads can be transferred forums with no outward indication to low level users that such a thing happened. This thread could have originated in the WoW Gen forums and you would have no idea if not for the posts saying "wrong forum," etc. A little less snippiness on such a pointless topic might be the best course.
    It would've been tagged with a "moved" topic name then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    And once the greater American GOP populace realizes that their GOP politicians who are telling them they should be against socialized medicine/healthcare are on socialized medicine/healthcare themselves... they might just wonder... Not to mention the politicians' healthcare is all paid for from citizens' tax dollars. WHICH I would have no problem with, if we had the same kind of healthcare as well. Hypocrites, all of them.
    You give the populace credit for greater cognitive reasoning then I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    I would love socialized health care. Love it.

    What we are getting crammed down our throats in America is not socialized health care. We are being forced to buy insurance. There is a huge difference.

    Our corporate and banking overlords hate socialism because it takes power and money away from them. Plain and simple.
    Yay, someone who gets it!

    We aren't getting socialized medicine. We aren't getting free healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roose View Post
    I would love socialized health care. Love it.

    What we are getting crammed down our throats in America is not socialized health care. We are being forced to buy insurance. There is a huge difference.

    Our corporate and banking overlords hate socialism because it takes power and money away from them. Plain and simple.
    Indeed, we're getting the worst of all possible worlds. We get all of the bad parts of the free market with few or none of the benefits. A system that didn't compel insurance of a certain type has downsides, but it would be effective from a cost standpoint (my insurance is dirt cheap, presently). Competition can do some really nice things, but requiring everyone to carry insurance makes sure we can't have nice things. All the bad parts of lacking socialized medicine? We get to keep those!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    It would've been tagged with a "moved" topic name then.
    IIRC, only from the origination forum.

    Which is where it is. Moved threads are hidden to those without moderation rights in the origination forum. They are not tagged as such in the destination forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    You give the populace credit for greater cognitive reasoning then I do.

    Bahahahahaha, I suppose the person doesn't realize that their Medicare IS socialized medicine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hastings95 View Post
    Bahahahahaha, I suppose the person doesn't realize that their Medicare IS socialized medicine.
    More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.
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    From the way she's looking at the camera with her eyes, I'm tempted to say she's trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.
    There was more than enough misinformation about Medi(s)care going around during the debates. Both sides spent more than a good deal of money saying the other side was going to "end Medicare as we know it!" Oooooooooh.

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    There are potential benefits and detriments to socialized healthcare. If you ignore either then that limits your ability to discuss the issue.

    Socialized medicine would make sure everyone would have some quality of healthcare at some point. However if you want a quick surgery by your choice of physician then the best system is non socialized. Our current system costs a lot of money, way too much, but our level of care is fairly good compared to other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.
    Indeed indeed, I see it far too often here, people comparing a program that is socialized (But, they don't realize it is), to another socialized program and denouncing the other program, even though both programs are socialized, and in the case of socialized medicine they may benefit more from it than just pure medicare.

    Lack of information, I think, is the problem, or that some people aren't willing to accept certain information that goes against what they already believe (See: Belief Bias)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    More or less my point. And that was not an isolated occurrence, it was kind of the rallying cry for at least part of the "tea party" during the healthcare debates.
    This is something we find pretty commonly among various elements of the "Stop Big Gubmint!" and "Welfare is Bad!" crowd; welfare that they receive is something they've earned, as where the welfare other people get is because Those People are lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annapolis View Post
    There are potential benefits and detriments to socialized healthcare. If you ignore either then that limits your ability to discuss the issue.

    Socialized medicine would make sure everyone would have some quality of healthcare at some point. However if you want a quick surgery by your choice of physician then the best system is non socialized. Our current system costs a lot of money, way too much, but our level of care is fairly good compared to other countries.
    If I need surgery to keep me alive... I'm not going to give a damn who does it, so long as he's trained well and knows what they're doing. Also, private surgeons have waiting lists too, you know. It's not like I can call my doctor up tonight and get some surgery done in a few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    This is something we find pretty commonly among various elements of the "Stop Big Gubmint!" and "Welfare is Bad!" crowd; welfare that they receive is something they've earned, as where the welfare other people get is because Those People are lazy.
    Case in point, Craig T Nelson declaring on national televisions "I've been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? No."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoose View Post
    This is relevent to my interests in WoW and is totally not a troll!
    That's why this is an "Off Topic" forum....

    Is it a troll when someone makes a thread saying " 'Bama wants to take our guns! 2nd Amendment!"?
    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

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