AMD to release "Sea Islands" during the first half of 2013.

[n0cturnal]

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/164...-halvaret-2013

So with the recent bad news of AMD making a huge loss in Q4 2012 they now also announced that the proper Radeon HD 8000 series will be released the first half of this year.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

I think I am getting quite good at reading Swedish thanks to you guys

[chazus]

The real question is, which comes first, Radeon HD 8000, or Catalyst 13.2.

Sadly, AMD has put themselves in a poor position as far as CPUs go. Being the 'budget guy' isn't a great place to be in a slowly improving economy, and even those budget options aren't holding up very well against Intel's budget. I see more people getting Intel over AMD on this forum, anyway. Meanwhile, the Radeon's have been getting bad press. The only thing that's really keeping AMD alive is their relative performance for price. Of course, that all goes to the wind when nVidia's 7xx cards come out.

[n0cturnal]

I think I am getting quite good at reading Swedish thanks to you guys

Well from what I've heard there is some resemblance to German, also there is always the option to use any translation service :P

[glo]

Of course, that all goes to the wind when nVidia's 7xx cards come out.

That's what was said about the 6xx release. Turned out 7xxx was superior in nearly every category. I'd wait until both are released to make such grand assumptions.

[vesseblah]

That's what was said about the 6xx release. Turned out 7xxx was superior in nearly every category. I'd wait until both are released to make such grand assumptions.

All numbers bigger, frame latency too :P

[chazus]

I meant more along the lines of; whoever comes out on top is up for grabs, depending on who's first/last to release hardware. I really have no idea what the Radeon 8xxx and Geforce 7xx lines will end up looking like. IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY.

...Personally, I'd like to see some more Geforces on the "Best performance for your money" lists.

[n0cturnal]

That's what was said about the 6xx release. Turned out 7xxx was superior in nearly every category. I'd wait until both are released to make such grand assumptions.

The Radeon HD 7000 series only got better a few months ago with the 12.11 drivers, before that Nvidia was superior but had bad pricing.

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Sadly, AMD has put themselves in a poor position as far as CPUs go. Being the 'budget guy' isn't a great place to be in a slowly improving economy, and even those budget options aren't holding up very well against Intel's budget. I see more people getting Intel over AMD on this forum, anyway. Meanwhile, the Radeon's have been getting bad press. The only thing that's really keeping AMD alive is their relative performance for price. Of course, that all goes to the wind when nVidia's 7xx cards come out.

I wouldnt say the x3xx series of CPUs from AMD is all that bad. The thing is just that this is a WoW forum, for more GPU dependable games an AMD cpu is just as good and will be cheaper/overclockable.

And about the stuttering, I personally have no issues with my 7970. So either I have it, but i just dont notice it. Or i really dont have it.
Someone posted this in another forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Md1X...ature=youtu.be

I did get the GPUs right :P But im not noticing anything, except in the beginning where he is turning a bit. So maybe it is there, and in some scenarios you will notice it. But I think people are reading way to much in it.

And nvidia will probably ask a premium for their new 7xx series

[chazus]

And about the stuttering, I personally have no issues with my 7970. So either I have it, but i just dont notice it. Or i really dont have it.
Someone posted this in another forum

I think part of that issue is... Every time someone gets a video card, they're upgrading. So even with microstutter (is that different from frame latency?), they're still upgrading and probably can't see the difference between that, and their old card simply being worse. It's kinda like going from a 3.0ghz cpu to a 3.6ghz cpu with a miniscule lag. You probably won't notice because the increase in performance outweighs that lag.

But if you pair two cards together, side by side, you might see it. It's still an issue, regardless.

[n0cturnal]

I wouldnt say the x3xx series of CPUs from AMD is all that bad. The thing is just that this is a WoW forum, for more GPU dependable games an AMD cpu is just as good and will be cheaper/overclockable.

And about the stuttering, I personally have no issues with my 7970. So either I have it, but i just dont notice it. Or i really dont have it.
Someone posted this in another forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Md1X...ature=youtu.be

I did get the GPUs right :P But im not noticing anything, except in the beginning where he is turning a bit. So maybe it is there, and in some scenarios you will notice it. But I think people are reading way to much in it.

And nvidia will probably ask a premium for their new 7xx series

Microstuttering is really hard to notice in 30FPS videos, you need to play the game yourself and preferably at 60FPS or higher to really get a feel for it.

[Lemmiwink]

I hope AMD rids themselves of that horrible latency and microstuttering issues as of late. No doubt their cards are awesome, but those things can get annoying when you notice them. Nvidia always asks a premium so everyone is used to that. I don't mind paying though, I would pay the same for an AMD card had they not been troubled with said latency.

[glo]

The Radeon HD 7000 series only got better a few months ago with the 12.11 drivers, before that Nvidia was superior but had bad pricing.

In what way were they superior? They performed worse on multi-monitor setups due to gimpy memory bandwidth, had lower VRAM (another poor effect on high res or multi-monitor setups), were more expensive and had no where remotely close to the same overclocking headroom.

Dollar for dollar the -ONLY- card Nvidia has over AMD this generation is the regular (non ti) 660. Every other price point has been had by AMD.

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But if you pair two cards together, side by side, you might see it. It's still an issue, regardless.

Im not saying it isnt an issue. But I do think people should not be discouraged getting an AMD card because of this, as it is barely noticable (for me anyway). That is the point im trying to make. To me, this whole stuttering sounds a bit over exaggerated.

[n0cturnal]

In what way were they superior? They performed worse on multi-monitor setups due to gimpy memory bandwidth, had lower VRAM (another poor effect on high res or multi-monitor setups), were more expensive and had no where remotely close to the same overclocking headroom.

Dollar for dollar the -ONLY- card Nvidia has over AMD this generation is the regular (non ti) 660. Every other price point has been had by AMD.

Before AMD released the GHz edition of 7970 even the GTX 670 performed better in resolution up to 1920x1200. Before GHz editions and Boost AMD cards just didn't perform as well and even after they still got wrecked in some games until the 12.11 driver. Lower amount of vRAM and worse performance in 3 monitor setups hardly means anything when the majority of people still play games at 1920x1080.

Performance wise the Nvidia cards was a lot better.

[chazus]

To me, this whole stuttering sounds a bit over exaggerated.

It might be exagerrated, but it's still a problem that people can see, that can be fixed, that AMD/ATI literally shoved their heads in the sand for a -year- and just said Nope.avi

[glo]

Before AMD released the GHz edition of 7970 even the GTX 670 performed better in resolution up to 1920x1200. Before GHz editions and Boost AMD cards just didn't perform as well and even after they still got wrecked in some games until the 12.11 driver. Lower amount of vRAM and worse performance in 3 monitor setups hardly means anything when the majority of people still play games at 1920x1080.

Performance wise the Nvidia cards was a lot better.

But we're not living half a year ago anymore, so it's hardly relevant. Not to mention the time period you're suggesting only lasted 1-1.5 months. Further, saying they were better means little when "better" came with a much more bloated price tag. You have to look price to performance ratios.

[n0cturnal]

But we're not living half a year ago anymore, so it's hardly relevant. Not to mention the time period you're suggesting only lasted 1-1.5 months. Further, saying they were better means little when "better" came with a much more bloated price tag. You have to look price to performance ratios.

Well the original statement was about when 600 series was relased?
And 12.11 driver was only released a few months ago, up until then 600 cards was still vastly superior in Blizzard games and BF3. That lasted several months.

[glo]

Well the original statement was about when 600 series was relased?

I'll give you the 680. <.<

7970 vs 670, eh. They were extremely close, and the 7970 still had the advantage of being clocked into the skies and higher memory bandwidth.

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It might be exagerrated, but it's still a problem that people can see, that can be fixed,

I would like to know from people who also own a 7xxx series card if they experience this. I mean, i dont see it. Could be more people dont see it aswell, and of course you will have people who can see it.